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CM Narcisse on H&H operating losses and state budget impact

New York City Council · Jun 5, 2026 · starts 4:49:27 · 3 min 44 sec

Narcisse asks about projected operating losses in FY28-30 from HR1. Olberg notes the state budget added over $1B for hospitals, and the five-year operating deficit is $350M. The average commercial rate enhancement generates about $2B, serving as the first line of defense.

Mercedes Narcisse

We forecast operating losses in...

Mercedes Narcisse

FY28, FY29, and FY30 from the HR1 ramp up.

Mercedes Narcisse

How optimistic are we that the staffing increase won't get squeezed to make ends meet at the end of the day?

Dr. Mitch Katz

When I look at our system, I'm not cutting nurses because we're structured so that five medical surgical patients equals one nurse.

Dr. Mitch Katz

And that is the appropriate model.

Dr. Mitch Katz

I don't think there's any value in running hospitals that are understaffed.

Dr. Mitch Katz

So you have to maintain the basic staff levels.

Dr. Mitch Katz

Again, that's why I was going to, if one had to do something, it would probably be to look at the 11 hospitals and say, what is each borough going to have?

Dr. Mitch Katz

And maybe each borough is not going to have every service at every hospital.

Dr. Mitch Katz

But I don't want to ever run hospitals with too few nurses or doctors.

Dr. Mitch Katz

I don't see any valor in that.

Dr. Mitch Katz

That will only lead to bad care.

Dr. Mitch Katz

I don't want to ever provide bad care.

Dr. Mitch Katz

I would rather say something is not available than do something poorly.

Mercedes Narcisse

I appreciate that.

Mercedes Narcisse

Dr.

Mercedes Narcisse

Katz, your testimony knows that you are still evaluating the impact of the newly enacted state budget.

Mercedes Narcisse

And that you anticipate operating losses in out years from HR1.

Mercedes Narcisse

Can you walk the committee through the challenges you see ahead, both from the state budget and the federal cuts, and how H&H is planning to meet them?

Dr. Mitch Katz

I think I did the planning to meet them, but John can do a better job than I on the cuts themselves.

Unidentified speaker

Yeah, I think first on the state budget, right, we think for health and hospitals it should be very favorable.

Unidentified speaker

We're still trying to understand the details.

Unidentified speaker

But for hospitals in general, the governor and the legislature added over a billion dollars.

Unidentified speaker

And that was $600 million for hospitals, $100 million for outpatient, and then there was a quality pool we're still trying to better understand.

Unidentified speaker

The value of those additional resources are not yet reflected in our plan, right, because we didn't have enough time.

Unidentified speaker

The budget was late.

Unidentified speaker

So that should improve our out-year situation.

Unidentified speaker

You know, as Mitch had said, you know, we're always forecasting years ahead.

Unidentified speaker

The five-year operating deficit is $350 million.

Unidentified speaker

We will need to attack that deficit, and we've seen to have, you know, good success, you know, thus far in that approach.

Unidentified speaker

It was a year ago when we were here together, and HR1 had just...

Unidentified speaker

You know, been released.

Unidentified speaker

And our plan today is about $500 million stronger than it was then.

Unidentified speaker

And it's because we try to

Unidentified speaker

find opportunity in the midst of the turmoil.

Unidentified speaker

And we've managed to do that.

Unidentified speaker

You've heard us talk about the average commercial rate.

Unidentified speaker

It's a state direct, it's a rate enhancement.

Unidentified speaker

And we take advantage of that.

Unidentified speaker

And that's benefited us, you know, rather significantly.

Unidentified speaker

But yeah, we are today trying to figure out solutions for, you know, the fifth year of the plan to avoid those cuts that

Unidentified speaker

Mitch had mentioned.

Mercedes Narcisse

Thank you.

Mercedes Narcisse

And like I said, again, I trust Dr.

Mercedes Narcisse

Katz is going to do the best he can.

Mercedes Narcisse

And I'm comfortable with a time like this to have Dr.

Mercedes Narcisse

Katz, you know, doing the CEO of the H&H.