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CM Wong on hold harmless policy and empty school funding

New York City Council · Jun 8, 2026 · starts 6:20:40 · 3 min 36 sec

Council Member Wong questions why the hold harmless policy from COVID is still in place, asking about the cost and whether empty schools should be consolidated. The Chancellor says stability is important and removing hold harmless would cause whiplash, with the cost in the hundreds of millions.

Phil Wong

Just one question.

Phil Wong

One question.

Phil Wong

Thank you, Chair.

Phil Wong

Chancellor, in your statement, you mentioned that school will continue to be held harmless.

Phil Wong

Now, as I recall, the whole harmless policy was introduced during COVID lockdown.

Phil Wong

So because so many students left those public schools and instead of having the fundings leaving,

Phil Wong

leaving the schools with the kids.

Phil Wong

They want

Phil Wong

To keep the money and keep the funding in place.

Phil Wong

But that was, the COVID lockdown has been lifted since 2023, February.

Phil Wong

My question to you is why are we still holding schools harmless?

Phil Wong

Why are we funding empty seats and even empty schools?

Phil Wong

Can you answer that?

UNKNOWN

Yeah.

UNKNOWN

Thank you for your question, Consul Memo.

UNKNOWN

I think, you know, stability in schools is very important.

UNKNOWN

And I think we need to ensure that our schools are well funded, despite the fact that, you know, we've seen enrollment declines.

UNKNOWN

If we do...

UNKNOWN

If we actually remove our own harmless funding, it would be a huge whiplash effect to schools

UNKNOWN

that would have to really contend with a lot of concerns at the budget.

UNKNOWN

And in some of our most vulnerable communities, they would feel the brunt of the issues.

UNKNOWN

And so I think we are proud to, for this year, be able to hold our schools harmless to make sure that they are stable.

UNKNOWN

And we will have an ongoing conversation about how we get to sustainability over time, including what we are able to do at the mid.

Phil Wong

Okay, I get that, Chancellor.

Phil Wong

But what is the estimated cost of holding initial school budgets harmless?

Phil Wong

And do you expect this additional funding to be reflected at adoption?

Phil Wong

Because I can see if we can free up so much funding and use it elsewhere rather than keeping schools open that are mostly empty.

Phil Wong

Please answer that.

UNKNOWN

So we are doing our final quality assurance checks on the numbers.

UNKNOWN

So once it's final, we can provide it to you.

UNKNOWN

And yes, we can provide it to you once it's final.

Phil Wong

I've visited some of the schools and I see that.

Phil Wong

We can definitely do something rather than keeping them empty.

Phil Wong

My follow-up is, how can DOE not know the cost of this policy, especially given that 26, 27 enrollment projects have been available since early May?

Phil Wong

Council Finance has estimated that this policy will cost at least $110 million, if not more.

Phil Wong

Does this sound correct?

UNKNOWN

So I wouldn't say we don't know the number.

UNKNOWN

Like I said, we're doing our final QA on the numbers, especially since school budgets are going to be released next week.

UNKNOWN

So as soon as that's final, we can provide the number.

UNKNOWN

I just don't want to give you something, and then it's going to change.

UNKNOWN

But yes, on par with over hundreds of millions, basically hundreds of millions of dollars.

Phil Wong

And I have visited some of these schools, and common sense tells me that we can do a better job.

Phil Wong

Just combine them and free up the funding.

Phil Wong

That's where I'm coming from.

Phil Wong

Thank you.

UNKNOWN

Thank you.

UNKNOWN

And, you know, in the future, we'll be engaged in a conversation.

Phil Wong

Thank you.

Phil Wong

Thank you, Shenzel.