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Public testimony: Sue Peters on banking and money creation

New York City Council · Aug 11, 2026 · starts 0:55:27 · 3 min 30 sec

Upper West Side resident Sue Peters testifies about the banking system's role in creating money as debt, drawing from her career in data processing at a Wall Street bank, and urges council members to educate themselves and the public about how money creation works.

Shaun Abreu

I'll now call on our first panel of witnesses, Susan Peters.

Shaun Abreu

And if anyone else is here to testify, please fill out an appearance card.

Shaun Abreu

I believe you're my constituent, Ms.

Shaun Abreu

Peters.

Shaun Abreu

And you may start whenever you're ready.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

Can you hear me?

Shaun Abreu

I can hear you.

Shaun Abreu

Loud and clear.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

Great.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

It's very interesting listening to the position our small business people are in.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

It's very tough out there.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

And I'm here to talk about why it's tough and also why people on the city council

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

need to educate themselves about why it's so tough for our business people.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

My name is Sue Peters, and I'm a resident of the Upper West Side.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

I'm glad to be speaking to my local elected officials.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

In the last 17 years of my long career in data processing, I worked for a Wall Street bank.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

I discovered through the bookkeeping that I was responsible for what the bank does, the power of the bank.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

Quote, every time a bank makes a loan, all it is doing is simply making a bookkeeping entry in the borrower's account for the amount of the loan.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

This bookkeeping entry is debt to the borrower and earns interest to the bank, end quote.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

In other words, our money does not come from our government, nor does the bank loan out money from savers.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

The bank creates it as debt.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

This fact is not taught in our schools or discussed in our media.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

Why?

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

Whoever controls the creation of the money of a country controls that nation.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

Money is power.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

We all know that.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

Why do I bring this to your attention?

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

Because you were public servants.

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And can investigate this and inform the citizens.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

Aren't all of us entitled to the truth of our history and the truth of the world we live in?

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

Only then can we think about how to change our world for the benefit of everybody.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

I'd like to end with a quote from a New York City businessman and author from 1883.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

Quote, the most fundamental law in any nation is that which institutes money.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

For money governs the distribution of property.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

And thus affects in a thousand ways the relations of man to man.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

Thank you very much.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

And I have some, actually four different handouts, you know, for the committee to read.

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

And I have

Member of the Public - Sue Peters

I have a copy of my testimony.

Shaun Abreu

Well, thank you so much for testifying, Susan Peters.

Shaun Abreu

And can the sergeant please pass along her papers so we can read it?

Shaun Abreu

Thank you to all of you who came here to, you are excused, my apologies.