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Council Member Feliz questions on labor agreements and 32BJ

New York City Council · Sep 9, 2026 · starts 3:09:52 · 3 min 40 sec

Feliz asks about labor: CBA, union labor, and transferability from the Lambert project. Washington responds that MAPES Court has had a 32BJ CBA for 35 years, 32BJ approached Phipps for a new development agreement, and Phipps already has a CBA in place. He characterizes 32BJ's approach as 'bully tactics.'

Magnus Westergren

Yeah.

Magnus Westergren

Yeah, I mean, if we could go taller than the 135 foot or 14 story tight, yeah, we could certainly go up.

Matthew Washington

Theoretically.

Kelly Biscuso

I think the other, you know, my role on the team in particular is around the financing.

Kelly Biscuso

So as mentioned, we're having some preliminary conversations with groups like the Y.

Kelly Biscuso

But obviously a challenge within the city when they do these is they expect those spaces to sort of fully fund themselves through rent.

Kelly Biscuso

And, you know, when you start talking about a 20,000, 30,000 square foot space.

Kelly Biscuso

You obviously don't want to just end up with a vacant space that the city's not going to fund.

Kelly Biscuso

And so it's really trying to find that sweet spot.

Kelly Biscuso

And so as mentioned, we're having those exploratory conversations to figure out what the right space is.

Kelly Biscuso

But it is something we'd have to explore and figure out with the city.

Kelly Biscuso

There would need to obviously be council support.

Kelly Biscuso

And there would need to be a partner who could actually, that it would work for.

Kelly Biscuso

So that's really the piece that we're...

Kelly Biscuso

In particular related to the size question.

Unidentified speaker

Okay, and final question.

Unidentified speaker

Talk to us about the labor aspect of this.

Unidentified speaker

Is there a CBA in place?

Unidentified speaker

Is the plan to use union labor?

Unidentified speaker

I know there were some

Unidentified speaker

a CBA, if I'm correct, on the other Lambert project.

Unidentified speaker

Is it transferable to this one?

Unidentified speaker

Yeah, tell us everything about the union part.

Matthew Washington

So thank you for the question, and we know that 32BJ is here to speak against the project.

Matthew Washington

We do have a CBA in place at MAPES Court today, and even the Sojourner Truth site, Astra during the presentation showed that it was a vacant site.

Matthew Washington

We used to have a building that we ran there.

Matthew Washington

And since MAPES was redone in 1991, it has been organized by 32BJ, and for the past 35 years that hasn't changed.

Matthew Washington

32BJ has come to us to sign a development agreement, and we said we already have a CBA in place.

Matthew Washington

We don't know why you're doing this.

Matthew Washington

So I don't know if 32BJ wants to open it up and allow other use.

Matthew Washington

unions to organize the future employees.

Matthew Washington

It's either that or these are bully tactics to try to get us to do something that they want.

Matthew Washington

But we have been a 32BJ.

Matthew Washington

These sites have been 32BJ since the beginning, and we intend to keep them 32BJ.

Unidentified speaker

Thank you so much for the answers.

Farah N. Louis

That's all your question?

Farah N. Louis

Okay.

Farah N. Louis

All right.

Farah N. Louis

Thank you so much.

Farah N. Louis

This panel is now excused.

Farah N. Louis

Thank you for making time to be here.

Matthew Washington

Thank you.

Farah N. Louis

Council, are there any members of the public who wish to testify remotely or in person regarding this proposal?

Council Staff

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Farah N. Louis

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Farah N. Louis

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Farah N. Louis

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