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Public Testimony

Kapner testimony: VA peer mentors and veterans' structural advantage

New York City Council · Sep 18, 2026 · starts 2:24:15 · 3 min 7 sec

Kapner describes VA peer mentors who support veterans in court, veteran justice outreach coordinators who help coordinate care for PTSD and traumatic brain injury, and the advantage that veterans' military training prepares them for structured program environments, leading to higher graduation rates.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

There are certain things about Veterans Court that sets it apart from other alternatives to incarceration.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

The most important is the commonality of experience from the participants themselves.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

In mental health court or drug court or other ATI programs, people are on their own journey, and it's difficult.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

In Veterans Court, you are on your own journey, but you are going down that road with people who have experienced very many things that you have also.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

There's a lot of camaraderie.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

There's a spirit of core.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

And in the rough moments when you're trying to, you know, overcome drug addiction or trying to stay on your medication,

Member of the Public - David Kapner

despite side effects and you're dealing with homelessness or other problems, that your fellow veterans are there to help you.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

And that's not true in a lot of the other ATI programs.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

The programming that veterans get tends to be a little bit better than other programs that are not veteran-specific.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

If you're eligible for VA benefits, so much the better.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

Those programs tend to be well-funded.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

Most of our clients are not in veterans or VA programs per se, but the VA does help fill the gaps and coordinate aftercare and certainly with reporting to the court.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

Veterans can also be rehabilitated in the classic sense of the word.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

Many of our clients who have mental health issues, have drug addiction issues, come to us later in life, right?

Member of the Public - David Kapner

Like they don't...

Member of the Public - David Kapner

Turn 20 or 19 and suddenly become criminal justice involved.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

Often they're very functional at just the minimal level.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

They hit their 30s or 40s and something happens and they fall off.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

And it's harder to rehabilitate folks who have just sort of survived, they've just sort of gone below the radar.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

But veterans are different.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

Veterans have accomplished a great deal.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

In order to get into veterans court, you do not have to be honorably discharged, but you certainly do have to have been graduated from basic training and

Member of the Public - David Kapner

often been assigned very important jobs, you know, not just combat, but handling jet fuel, handling explosives, even administrative work, dealing with other veterans.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

These are very important jobs.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

And to the extent that people are coming through a period of mental health crisis or drug addiction, it's just that much easier to bring them back to a place where they've already been, as opposed to try to get them to a spot where they've really never been.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

And veterans have a...

Member of the Public - David Kapner

A tremendous advantage there, and I think it speaks to the efficiency of veterans.

Member of the Public - David Kapner

Court that it just really accomplishes really what we'd like to see in all the alternatives to incarceration programs.