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Public Testimony

Edward Gordon criticizes rap in schools and calls for music programs

New York City Council · Sep 22, 2026 · starts 4:14:32 · 2 min 41 sec

Edward Gordon, president of Nubian Conservatory of Music and a former NYC teacher, argues rap has few redeeming qualities and should not be brought into schools. He calls for orchestras, choruses, bands, and repair of a school organ.

Eric Dinowitz

It's on.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

Mr.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

Chairman of the committee, good afternoon.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

My name is Edward Gordon.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

I'm the president of the Nubian Conservatory of Music.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

It is a small private music school in Brooklyn, New York.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

I come to you as an educator of over 50 years experience.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

And 31 of those years were spent in the classrooms of the New York City public school system.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

I am a former parent of the New York school system and now a grandparent of the New York school system.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

Mayor Mumdani wants to bring rap poetry into the system.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

I have expressed in writing why I do not think that that is a good idea.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

If we are speaking honestly about rap, it has very few redeeming qualities.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

No one is learning how to sing properly, how to play an instrument.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

Many of the people that it glorifies are either ex-drug dealers or ex-convicts.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

Please don't get me wrong.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

I am all for giving people a second chance, but I was taught that role models have to be held to a higher standard.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

And we have wonderful role models out there, such as Mariah Carey or Lawrence Brownlee, the African-American metropolitan opportunist.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

We see young men holding their groins for periods of time.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

And there is the filthy language which often degrades.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

It's black people and especially black women.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

The bottom line is that a 10-year-old black boy was trampled to death at a so-called rap concert.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

I want something better for my granddaughter.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

Our children need orchestras, choruses, and bands.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

Erasmus Hall High School has an electronic organ sitting there collecting dust, but it needs about $2,000 worth of work to make it fully functional.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

That figure is probably higher by now.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

Sorry, my sinuses.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

Oh, as I got that estimate a few years ago.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

No one wants to help me raise money.

Eric Dinowitz

Just finish up your last sentence, please.

Member of the Public - Edward Gordon

No one wants to help me raise money to repair that instrument.

Eric Dinowitz

Thank you.

Eric Dinowitz

And, you know, we heard, I think, one other person talk about the arts, and I think the arts...

Eric Dinowitz

Can and should be integrated into the portrait of a graduate as well.

Eric Dinowitz

For me, at least, my own personal experience, someone who, you know, theater and music was integral to my middle and high school experience and someone who then as a teacher saw theater and music as something that was transformative for my students.