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Public Testimony

Marco Barrios says punitive jails cannot be therapeutic

New York City Council · Sep 23, 2026 · starts 2:35:46 · 2 min 20 sec

Marco Barrios of the Urban Justice Center Mental Health Project and Treatment Not Jail Coalition says a punitive setting cannot be therapeutic. He describes limited treatment modalities at Rikers and says psychiatric medication management often ignores patients' needs and histories.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

Good afternoon and thank you for having me.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

My name is Marco Barrios.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

I'm the criminal justice advocate at the Mental Health Project of the Urban Justice Center, where my primary responsibility is monitoring New York City's compliance with the Brad Age Settlement.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

I'm also a member of the Treatment Not Jail Coalition, which champions the Treatment Court Expansion Act.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

Furthermore, I'm a veteran in the United States Armed Forces and served in the Gulf War, and I'm also a survivor of the criminal legal system, where I did 24 years and six months.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

But now I visit Rikers Island weekly, and I see up to 20 clients each time.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

I'm here to tell you what I see in those jails.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

One, a punitive setting cannot be a therapeutic space.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

The forces used to exercise control often makes the things more out of control.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

You cannot run a program that promotes recovery, which requires self-direction, respect, and hope inside a system that demands submission, strips people of their humanity,

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

and fills them with despair.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

Now, mental health treatment in jails and prisons centered primarily around the

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

provision of medication.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

Medication should not be the only option.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

There should be different modalities of treatment.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

At Riker's, other treatment methods are limited at best and for some, non-existent.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

The one-on-ones with clinicians are brief and group therapy is also limited.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

The treatment plan should be a growing plan that

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

provides for the individual needs of each person in response as they change over time.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

And even if they receive appropriate psychiatric medication, that is a challenge.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

Psychiatric medication management is supposed to be ongoing structured partnership between a patient and prescribing provider to evaluate, adjust, and monitor psychotropic.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

Medication for safety and effectiveness, and the consequences are predictable.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

The individual's previous experience with medication and understanding of the illness is at times ignored.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

Rather than listening and responding to the needs of each person, psychiatric...

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

That was quick.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

Okay.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

My action is to support the treatment I call...

Selvena N. Brooks-Powers

Thank you.

Selvena N. Brooks-Powers

And I have the written testimony.

Member of the Public - Marco Barrios

There's a lot there.

Selvena N. Brooks-Powers

I know.