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Public Testimony

Beta NYC's Noelle Hidalgo on AI power, data access, and COPIC

New York City Council · Oct 5, 2026 · starts 8:10:09 · 2 min 31 sec

Noelle Hidalgo, executive director of Beta NYC, says AI is a question of power. He reports that city language models didn't know Local Law 188 and that NYC.gov inconsistent policies block automated visitors, and recommends funding the OAA and reviving COPIC.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

Hi, my name is Noelle Hidalgo.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

I'm the executive director of Beta NYC, and for the record, I serve as the public advocate's appointee to COPIC and to the Internet Advisory Board, and today I speak on behalf of Beta NYC.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

At Beta NYC, AI is a question of power.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

Who has the power to consume the world's knowledge and resources, and who controls the companies that do?

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

Our research shows four things.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

First, AI models are snapshots in time.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

We asked five AI agents about the council's own AI law, local law 188.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

Of the three that answered from memory, none of them knew it.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

Two ignored the instructions and searched the web to find the answer.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

Out of the box, AI models are brains with no eyes and no hands.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

Second, access to the city's information is inconsistent.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

NYC.gov.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

NYC.gov's one published rule welcomes every automated visitor, yet when you disclose that you are who you are, it is refused.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

So we had to build open source tools that go straight to the source and hop around the city's regulation, digital regulation.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

Third, people inside a city government are ready to experiment.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

Our own conversations say that they are ready to do it safely and reliably, and they have told us that they lack the literacy and the resources.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

government who actually has the tools and the resources to become the leader that they are looking for, which is really disappointing.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

Inside of New York City, they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

That they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

Fourth, we have trained nearly 100 CUNY undergraduates and we interviewed 26 experts across 18 organizations.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

That they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

Employers want more than technical skills.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

They want, and students want, practical experience.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

A century ago, reformers in this chamber helped bring us clean water and an end to nepotism in government.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

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A hundred years from now, how will our descendants look back at today?

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And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

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So we asked the council to work with the state on a few fun pieces of legislation.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

One would be an AI wealth fund for public universities and public education and to fund enforcement.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

We desperately need to revive COPIC, define New York City's vision of digital sovereignty, starting with the UN open source principles,

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

fund the Office of Algorithmic Accountability and the Office of Data Strategy, and create an open source programs office in partnership with CUNY.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

Our full testimony is up on our website at beta.nyc forward slash council dash AI dash hearings dash 2026.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

Thank you.

Member of the Public - Matt Henning

Thank you.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.