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De La Rosa asks if anyone was fired for unsafe AI development

New York City Council · Oct 5, 2026 · starts 2:16:47 · 2 min 52 sec

De La Rosa asks whether anyone has been fired for building uncontrollable models or for models hacking businesses or governments. Dwyer says she doesn't know about HR decisions but describes process changes after Hugging Face; Cahill and Friend refer to their teams; Graham cites Anthropic's whistleblowing policy.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

Earlier, you all testified that, to your knowledge, no whistleblowers had been fired directly for being whistleblowers from your company.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

So my question is kind of the opposite of that.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

Has anyone been fired for building models that it cannot control or for those models hacking into businesses or government systems?

Carmen N. De La Rosa

Ms.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

Dwyer, you can begin.

Member of the Public - Morgan Dwyer

Thank you.

Member of the Public - Morgan Dwyer

So I don't know about HR processes that have been made or decisions related to HR that have been made.

Member of the Public - Morgan Dwyer

What I can tell you is that after the hugging face incident, which I think you may be referring to, OpenAI instituted...

Member of the Public - Morgan Dwyer

Significant changes to our overall organizational process.

Member of the Public - Morgan Dwyer

That includes clarifying escalation pathways and making them simpler.

Member of the Public - Morgan Dwyer

That includes clarifying responsibilities across teams and creating clearer processes for teams to make decisions to pause or to restart activities.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

So to your knowledge, no one was fired after hugging face incident?

Carmen N. De La Rosa

Yes or no?

Member of the Public - Morgan Dwyer

Again, I do not have any knowledge of HR activities within OpenAI.

Member of the Public - Morgan Dwyer

I lead our policy team.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

Okay.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

Mr.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

Cahill?

Member of the Public - Shane Cahill

Thank you, Chair.

Member of the Public - Shane Cahill

I also lead our AI policy at Meta, and I'm not the right person to respond to your specific question, but I'd be happy to have our teams follow up with you afterwards.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

It would be great if all of the companies could provide that information to us.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

It would be useful to our policy deliberations.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

Ms.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

Friend?

Member of the Public - Alice Friend

Yes, ma'am.

Member of the Public - Alice Friend

Same answer.

Member of the Public - Alice Friend

I'm not made aware of any particular personnel actions inside the company, but can also pledge to follow up with you all.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

Thank you.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

It seems like we lost Mr.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

Graham.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

I'm not sure if he's on.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

Seems like he's not.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

Okay.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

I'm going to ask one more question, and then we're going to pass it on to members.

Council Staff

Chair, he is online.

Council Staff

Sorry.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

Okay.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

Mr.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

Graham?

Member of the Public - Logan Graham

Hi there, apologies, we're just trying to fix the video in the room.

Member of the Public - Logan Graham

Likewise, I'm not aware and I'm not the best person to ask on that.

Member of the Public - Logan Graham

We have a detailed whistleblowing policy, for example, to handle this, but we can have our team follow up.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

Thank you.