De La Rosa asks if anyone was fired for unsafe AI development
De La Rosa asks whether anyone has been fired for building uncontrollable models or for models hacking businesses or governments. Dwyer says she doesn't know about HR decisions but describes process changes after Hugging Face; Cahill and Friend refer to their teams; Graham cites Anthropic's whistleblowing policy.
Earlier, you all testified that, to your knowledge, no whistleblowers had been fired directly for being whistleblowers from your company.
So my question is kind of the opposite of that.
Has anyone been fired for building models that it cannot control or for those models hacking into businesses or government systems?
Ms.
Dwyer, you can begin.
Thank you.
So I don't know about HR processes that have been made or decisions related to HR that have been made.
What I can tell you is that after the hugging face incident, which I think you may be referring to, OpenAI instituted...
Significant changes to our overall organizational process.
That includes clarifying escalation pathways and making them simpler.
That includes clarifying responsibilities across teams and creating clearer processes for teams to make decisions to pause or to restart activities.
So to your knowledge, no one was fired after hugging face incident?
Yes or no?
Again, I do not have any knowledge of HR activities within OpenAI.
I lead our policy team.
Okay.
Mr.
Cahill?
Thank you, Chair.
I also lead our AI policy at Meta, and I'm not the right person to respond to your specific question, but I'd be happy to have our teams follow up with you afterwards.
It would be great if all of the companies could provide that information to us.
It would be useful to our policy deliberations.
Ms.
Friend?
Yes, ma'am.
Same answer.
I'm not made aware of any particular personnel actions inside the company, but can also pledge to follow up with you all.
Thank you.
It seems like we lost Mr.
Graham.
I'm not sure if he's on.
Seems like he's not.
Okay.
I'm going to ask one more question, and then we're going to pass it on to members.
Chair, he is online.
Sorry.
Okay.
Mr.
Graham?
Hi there, apologies, we're just trying to fix the video in the room.
Likewise, I'm not aware and I'm not the best person to ask on that.
We have a detailed whistleblowing policy, for example, to handle this, but we can have our team follow up.
Thank you.