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Public Testimony

Jimmy Pan compares AI hype to biotech and pharma industry claims

New York City Council · Oct 5, 2026 · starts 8:36:53 · 2 min 11 sec

Jimmy Pan of the NYC Equal Employment Practices Commission, a former biotech researcher and lawyer, compares AI to past frontier industries like biotech and pharma. He argues claims that AI is required to solve social problems are a false narrative when policy choices are making those problems worse.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

Council, Speaker, Chair, thank you very much for this hearing today.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

My name is Jimmy Pan.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

I'm the Executive Director of a small city agency called the New York City Equal Employment Practices Commission.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

I wasn't planning on testifying today, to be honest, even though I think our work touches on a lot of the issues that came up today and on this panel.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

I decided to testify because a lot of what I heard today actually reminds me of the types of issues I was hearing two decades ago.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

So before I became a lawyer, I was in another frontier technology.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

I was a biotechnology researcher.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

And then the claims that companies were putting forward as to why we needed biotechnology despite the risks.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

Where that could solve issues like world hunger.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

The implication being, if you're opposed to biotechnology, then you're dooming kids to hunger around the world.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

But of course, the part that goes unsaid is that hunger, for example, is not a technology issue.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

It's a distribution issue.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

To analogize to today,

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

We don't have a hunger issue in the U.S.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

We choose not to, for example, give school lunches for free.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

Let's fast forward a little bit.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

I became a lawyer, took on the pharmaceutical industry.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

The pharmaceutical industry is another one of these frontier industries that says, you have to allow us to innovate, you can't regulate us.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

Otherwise, people won't have these life-saving drugs.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

Again, presenting this narrative that if you regulate this industry, if you cap prices, you're

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

for people who are going to suffer from these diseases.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

I think we heard some remnants of that today.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

But again, I want to emphasize to this regulatory body that if we care about innovation and if we care about improving lives for people, there are many, many paths to innovation.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

There are policy choices that we make as a nation that put people's lives at risk.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

We are currently defunding health systems.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

We are currently not providing good education.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

We're making choices on a policy framework.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

And I think a lot of these companies are saying, well, look, all these issues you have today, AI can solve that, and you need us there at the table.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Jimmy Pan

I think that's a false narrative.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

Thank you so much for your testimony.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.