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Kokotajlo and Turner on moral alignment feasibility

New York City Council · Oct 5, 2026 · starts 0:49:26 · 1 min 44 sec

Kokotajlo says training desired morality may be possible in principle but the field is far from achieving it, requiring time and robust methods that don't shatter later. Turner says he is relatively optimistic but that current breakneck development creates unsustainable risk.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

Yeah, there's a lot to say on this subject.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

There's a whole technical field on it.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

I would say in principle, it probably is possible to train AIs to have our desired morality and to follow the law.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

But we are very far from achieving this in practice.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

And I would say it's not just a matter of how much of our resources we devote to it.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

It's also a matter of just taking time for the science to develop and for the appropriate lessons to be learned and propagated.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

And I think it's going to take years, to put it mildly.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

I think that this is a very new field.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

We've only had AI systems, AI agents this powerful for a few years.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

And so it's going to take time to figure out how to instill the appropriate values into them in a way that's robust and that doesn't suddenly shatter and cause them to go rogue later on.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

Mr.

Carmen N. De La Rosa

Turner, any comments on this?

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

It may surprise the committee to learn that I am considered to be relatively optimistic on questions of how scientifically difficult is it to

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

produce a system, to grow a system that does what we want, that robustly has

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

the values we intend.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

I think it is quite possible, but even as someone who's relatively optimistic, we can look out, see the recklessness of these companies and the breakneck speed at which we are advancing.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

I think there's unsustainable risk.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

Moving forward.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

It's solvable, but I think we have a really good chance of not solving it.