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Public Testimony

Kokotajlo corroborates reckless racing culture at AI labs

New York City Council · Oct 5, 2026 · starts 0:22:44 · 2 min 20 sec

Daniel Kokotajlo begins his statement, saying he will avoid repeating Coxon. He corroborates the racing-to-superintelligence and move-fast-break-things culture seen at Anthropic and OpenAI, and quotes OpenAI's Dan Selsam about researchers' dependence on models.

Julie Menin

With additional questions, I'm now going to have an opening statement from Daniel Kokotago.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

Hello, everybody.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

Members of the Committee of the Whole, thank you for having me here today.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

A lot of what I say, I guess, is going to be stolen thunder by Jacob there, but I'll try to focus on the things that he didn't already say.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

First of all, yeah, it's true.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

They're racing towards superintelligence.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

There's this move fast and break things culture there.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

That's also what I saw while I was there and what I continue to hear from talking to friends still there at Anthropic and at OpenAI and at some of these other companies.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

You know, I've also heard there's a statement by Dan Selsom, who currently works at OpenAI.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

He confirms what Jacob was saying.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

Most of the code is written by AIs.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

Quote, researchers and engineers in all parts of the stack are rapidly increasing their dependence on the models even to perceive the world.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

I myself barely look at raw code anymore and struggle to maintain the discipline to engage deeply with the models, explanations, and proposals, end quote.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

Basically, right now at these companies, many of the researchers involved are kind of managing AIs.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

Like the AIs do the actual coding and the humans...

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

Talk to them and tell them what to do and hear their explanation.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

of what's going on in the near future.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

And by near future, I mean maybe in the next year, two years, three years, something like that.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

They will have trained AIs that can do the entire thing autonomously.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

That's the recursive self-improvement that Jacob was talking about.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

And it's unclear how long it's going to take them to succeed, but it really does seem like it could happen any year now.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

If they do succeed at that, then

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

compared to today.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

The actual work will be done by the AIs, the thinking will be done by the AIs, the planning, the designing will be done by the AIs, and the humans will be in a relationship to the AIs that's more like the relationship between, say, a board of directors and

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

and the actual company that the board of directors is supposed to be supervising, where you're reliant on AI-generated explanations, even to understand what's going on inside the company and inside the data centers.