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Menin presses companies to commit not to release failing models

New York City Council · Oct 5, 2026 · starts 1:59:51 · 3 min 56 sec

Menin asks each company to commit under oath not to release a model that fails internal or independent third-party validation. Each witness gives conditional answers rather than a clear yes, and Menin describes the responses as equivocation.

Julie Menin

Will you all commit right now under oath publicly that if your models fail an internal test or a third party

Julie Menin

validation test that's not selected by your company, will you commit to not release that model?

Julie Menin

I'm going to start with Ms.

Julie Menin

Dwyer.

Member of the Public - Morgan Dwyer

Yeah, I can commit that OpenAI is not going to release models that we don't believe that are safe.

Member of the Public - Morgan Dwyer

As part of that assessment process, we work with multiple third parties.

Member of the Public - Morgan Dwyer

And as I mentioned before, with the U.S.

Member of the Public - Morgan Dwyer

As well as the U.K.

Member of the Public - Morgan Dwyer

Federal governments to assess whether our models are safe.

Julie Menin

So if it fails either an internal test or a third-party test, you will commit to not release it.

Member of the Public - Morgan Dwyer

OpenAI has historically delayed the release of models to ensure that we can build up the right safeguards.

Member of the Public - Morgan Dwyer

We've done it before and we'll do it again.

Julie Menin

Again, I think a simple yes or no would instill more confidence in the public on a matter as serious as this.

Julie Menin

I'm going to move to Mr.

Julie Menin

Graham.

Member of the Public - Logan Graham

We take that one particularly seriously.

Member of the Public - Logan Graham

The way we approach it is we try to detail an even more nuanced and lengthy approach to how we release models, what safeguards they require in order to be released, what tests need to be done.

Member of the Public - Logan Graham

And to your point about independent evaluators, this is one of the most important components, we think.

Member of the Public - Logan Graham

We have tried and long supported creating a burgeoning sort of group of independent evaluators, including working with multiple governments to do exactly this.

Member of the Public - Logan Graham

And we collectively work together to try to refine and improve the exact decision process by which you release a model.

Member of the Public - Logan Graham

And so we think what we should do is develop the right and best and improve on these decision processes.

Member of the Public - Logan Graham

We detail ours in our responsible scaling policy.

Member of the Public - Logan Graham

We should refine and improve it every so often.

Member of the Public - Logan Graham

So we release updates based on what we learn every six to 12 months or so at this rate, and that this should involve independent evaluators.

Julie Menin

Okay, that also is not a clear yes or no.

Julie Menin

I'm going to move on to Mr.

Julie Menin

Cahill.

Member of the Public - Shane Cahill

Speaker, thank you very much for that question.

Member of the Public - Shane Cahill

What I can commit to is that we do not deploy models which are not safe pursuant to our scaling framework.

Member of the Public - Shane Cahill

And I just wanted to mention also that, and I think I mentioned this a little earlier, but we do believe that every lab has a responsibility to go at the pace to ensure the safety of their models and the ability to take action in relation to that pacing.

Member of the Public - Shane Cahill

For example, at Meta, we delayed the release of Muse for several months to focus on safety and security.

Member of the Public - Shane Cahill

In relation to independent evaluators, we recently signed into court with a commitment to partner with independent evaluators and assessors.

Member of the Public - Shane Cahill

And this is also detailed in our framework.

Julie Menin

Okay, Ms.

Julie Menin

Friend.

Member of the Public - Alice Friend

Ma'am, as part of our multi-layered approach to responsible AI governance, we conduct rigorous launch reviews ahead of launch of models to ensure that anything we put into general availability is safe.

Julie Menin

Okay.

Julie Menin

I mean, again, I think it would be far clearer if we could get clear yeses or noes from everyone, but in the absence of that, I'm going to take what you've each said as sort of an equivocation.