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Shea Brown suggests modifying Intro 2602 validator role

New York City Council · Oct 5, 2026 · starts 8:26:15 · 2 min 19 sec

Shea Brown, CEO of Babble AI and an independent bias auditor under Local Law 144, supports Intro 2602 but suggests the validator should not be asked to certify deployment readiness. Instead, developers should make written assertions validated by independent testing and inspection, with validators tied to existing standards.

Julie Menin

We're on Zoom.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Julie Menin

We're going to hear from Shea Brown.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Julie Menin

Shay, if you're on and ready, please unmute yourself.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Shea Brown

Jay?

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Shea Brown

Can you hear me now?

Julie Menin

Yes, we can hear you.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Shea Brown

Thank you, Speaker Menon and members of the committee for this opportunity to speak.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Shea Brown

My name is Shea Brown.

Member of the Public - Shea Brown

I'm the CEO of Babble AI, a company that audits high-risk AI systems for safety and effective governance.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Shea Brown

And we've been independent bias auditors under Local Law 144 since that law first took effect.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Shea Brown

I'd like to speak today in support of Proposal 2602.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Shea Brown

An AI system that affects the public should be examined by a qualified party outside the company that built it before it reaches the public.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Shea Brown

I further think that New York City is the right place for this to start, and we'd like to see it done in a way that is effective and promotes the public's well-being.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Shea Brown

I'd like to raise two points, and I offer more in my written testimony.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Shea Brown

First, the bill asks the outside validator to certify that a model is appropriately positioned for deployment.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Shea Brown

From our experience, we believe this is more than an outside party can reasonably say, given the third-party dynamics and access to the system in question.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Shea Brown

Instead, we suggest potentially requiring the developer to make written assertions about its compliance over specific topics and to a minimum standard that is set by the city.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Shea Brown

And an independent practitioner validates those assertions through careful testimony.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Shea Brown

testing, verification, and inspection.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Shea Brown

This puts the burden of proof back on the developer and does not force the auditor to make a judgment call that it's not in the best position to make.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Shea Brown

My second point involves the validator's independence and competence.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Shea Brown

The only requirement for a validator in the current draft is that it not be an affiliate of the developer.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Shea Brown

We ask that qualification be more closely tied to existing standards and or accreditation for independent assurance and certification bodies that exist today.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Shea Brown

While the subject matter is unique and requires careful thought, the frameworks for professional conduct of third-party audit assurance and validation professionals already exist and we should leverage that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Member of the Public - Shea Brown

Thank you for your time, and I'm happy to answer any questions.

Member of the Public - Noel Hidalgo

And you actually heard the deputy commissioner say that, that they can't find somebody inside of New York City to say that.

Julie Menin

Thank you so much.