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Public Testimony

Turner on Google's Pentagon deal and abandoned protections

New York City Council · Oct 5, 2026 · starts 0:29:28 · 1 min 38 sec

Turner recounts that after federal agents killed innocent people in Minneapolis and he learned Google sells cloud services to agencies involved, he campaigned to stop Google from signing a Pentagon deal without restrictions on killer robots or mass spying.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

In January, federal agents shot and killed several innocent people in Minneapolis.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

I learned that Google sells cloud services to the agencies involved, and I set out to change that.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

That campaign soon turned into an attempt to stop Google from signing a Pentagon deal with no restrictions against killer robots or mass spying.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

In the end, Google signed without the protections that it had once promised for its deployments.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

Before I left, I tried everything I could from the inside.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

I organized a petition to Google's chief sign.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

signed by about 250 colleagues.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

I got him to sign a legal brief supporting Anthropic, the company the Pentagon punished for refusing all lawful use terms.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

I wrote dozens of pages of contract language and oversight mechanisms favorably reviewed by experts in military and surveillance law and sent it to the chief scientist.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

And to Google DeepMind CEO.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

The chief scientist didn't want to spend his time supporting that kind of structure.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

The CEO at the time, Demis Sassavis, routed it to senior policy staff, Alan Defoe and Owen Larder, who never finished evaluating it.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

Google signed while they waited.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

Demis routed my proposal.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

Two members of the team did review it, though I didn't really receive much follow-up after that.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

I offered to fly out from San Francisco to London to answer questions in person.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

But I was never really able to get traction, a yes or a no, on alternative governance mechanisms that Google might adopt.