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Public Testimony

Megan Lagerquist urges independent third-party audits with full access

New York City Council · Oct 16, 2026 · starts 1:41:45 · 2 min 30 sec

Megan Lagerquist of RAD Collective supports independent evaluations of high-risk frontier models, says companies currently control evaluator access and can release models regardless of findings, and calls for evaluators to have full model access and authority to block unsafe sales to New Yorkers.

Member of the Public - Megan Lagerquist

Hello, my name is Megan Lagerquist.

Member of the Public - Megan Lagerquist

I am also a member of the RAD Collective, and I thank the Council for hearing my testimony today.

Member of the Public - Megan Lagerquist

The second policy we want to address regards third-party audits, which Speaker Menon has proposed through Introduction 1100.

Member of the Public - Megan Lagerquist

RAD supports independent evaluations of high-risk frontier models defined by the RAISE Act.

Member of the Public - Megan Lagerquist

Currently, many AI companies voluntarily work with AI third-party evaluators to run safety evaluations.

Member of the Public - Megan Lagerquist

However, the companies very much control access to what information they get and can decide to move forward with development or release regardless of the findings.

Member of the Public - Megan Lagerquist

Meter employees who investigated the open AI hacked of Hugging Face reported that they were not provided with sufficient time to fully evaluate the incident and they only had logs from a constrained time window.

Member of the Public - Megan Lagerquist

To ensure that these products are safe for consumers, we must require independent verification that these models are sufficiently aligned with human instructions,

Member of the Public - Megan Lagerquist

do not engage in social engineering or manipulation, and that the company's safeguards and monitoring and containment systems are equipped to control their own products.

Member of the Public - Megan Lagerquist

We cannot rely on self-published model cards and even whistleblowers for full transparency.

Member of the Public - Megan Lagerquist

Evaluators need to be guaranteed access to all documents and models they deem necessary.

Member of the Public - Megan Lagerquist

They need to be able to run their own experiments, and that means more than just accessing chain of thought logs, although human-readable chain of thought

Member of the Public - Megan Lagerquist

is important to preserve.

Member of the Public - Megan Lagerquist

They have to be able to see inside the model architecture to truly be effective at alignment auditing.

Member of the Public - Megan Lagerquist

And if they say that the models do not meet New York's legal threshold for safety, these models should not be allowed to be sold to New Yorkers.

Member of the Public - Megan Lagerquist

In order to effectively facilitate and enforce this regulation, the students need to invest in expanding the capacity of the Office of Technology and Innovation because, as we heard from Cyber Command's testimony on October 5th, they do not have the expertise to regulate industry as it stands.

Member of the Public - Megan Lagerquist

There are independent AI safety research organizations that could fill the need for evaluators, but the council needs to build the legal support system to certify and empower them.

Member of the Public - Megan Lagerquist

I will say the federal government is content with voluntary commitments and no verification, but I believe that this council is not content, and I urge you to move forward with strong public oversight of the AI industry.

Member of the Public - Megan Lagerquist

Thank you.

Julie Menin

Thank you so much.