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Wong questions Dalton on kitchen sublease and culinary school access

New York City Council · Oct 21, 2026 · starts 1:24:35 · 3 min 25 sec

Wong says the kitchen is subleased to a culinary school and veterans told they cannot participate; Dalton says spots are reserved and veterans can participate and will look into it; Morano then gives Wong extra time for his birthday and calls on Hudson.

Phil Wong

My question is this.

Phil Wong

Let's start with the kitchen.

Phil Wong

The kitchen is now being subleased to a culinary cooking school.

Phil Wong

Instead of being a facility that's available for veterans to cook their food, to heat up their foods or do their own cooking.

Phil Wong

This is happening right under our eyes.

Phil Wong

And it's my understanding that whole site should be a shelter.

Phil Wong

Why is it part of it is being leased to a culinary school?

Phil Wong

Can you answer that?

Erin Dalton

Sure.

Erin Dalton

Thank you for the question.

Erin Dalton

I testify to this, right?

Erin Dalton

I agree.

Erin Dalton

We see that same commercial kitchen and think it could be a better use to the people that are staying there.

Erin Dalton

And so we are pursuing changes and looking at the opportunities that that kitchen could provide.

Erin Dalton

So I agree with you.

Erin Dalton

I heard concerns about the food.

Erin Dalton

I see the opportunity with the kitchen.

Erin Dalton

We see the provider, ICL, also sees that opportunity.

Erin Dalton

And those things take a little bit of time.

Erin Dalton

But we are looking at the food.

Erin Dalton

I will say I don't think it's a problem to sublease parts of the kitchen to other training programs.

Erin Dalton

There are spots reserved for ICL residents.

Erin Dalton

These are programs.

Erin Dalton

These are workforce programs that give people a skill.

Erin Dalton

And so I think there's not a problem with that.

Phil Wong

But veterans cannot sign up to the culinary school.

Phil Wong

That's what they told me.

Erin Dalton

That is not correct.

Erin Dalton

In fact, there are spots saved.

Erin Dalton

It is a long program.

Erin Dalton

My understanding is it's a six-month program.

Erin Dalton

It takes place during weekdays.

Erin Dalton

And a lot of the veterans who are staying at Borden Area Shelter are also working another job.

Erin Dalton

So they may not apply and may not take advantage of that.

Erin Dalton

But it is not correct that they cannot participate.

Phil Wong

Well, at least two veterans, when I stood outside with Council Member Juan, told me that they want...

Phil Wong

to sign up for the culinary school and they were told that they have to go somewhere else to learn how to cook, not in that school.

Phil Wong

All right, which is truly shameful because you let this happen, that that facility is meant for veterans and you let this space to be subleased to a culinary program and the veterans living in there have no access to it.

Phil Wong

All right, and that's unacceptable.

Phil Wong

And you're saying that's not happening.

Phil Wong

It's not true.

Erin Dalton

That is what I'm saying.

Erin Dalton

That's my understanding.

Erin Dalton

I will look into it further.

Erin Dalton

But I've asked these questions already and been given assured answers that that is not correct.

Erin Dalton

I should also just point out that...

Erin Dalton

I mean, your point is still correct that we agree that that kitchen is underused for the people staying there.

Erin Dalton

But the program is run by another one of our providers and serves a similar population, a non-veteran population.

Erin Dalton

But it does serve people.

Phil Wong

Yeah, but isn't it common sense that if those facilities, the veterans shelter, then the kitchen should be available at all times?

Phil Wong

To the veterans?

Erin Dalton

I agree and testify that that is something that we want to take a look at.

Phil Wong

Okay, my next question.

Phil Wong

I'm sorry.

Frank Morano

We'll come back to you.

Frank Morano

Okay.

Frank Morano

We'll come back to you, and we'll give you a little extra time because I understand it's your birthday.

Frank Morano

Happy birthday.

Frank Morano

May all your wishes come true.

Phil Wong

Thank you.

Frank Morano

Keep in mind, give them gentle answers back.

Frank Morano

Next.

Frank Morano

Chair Hudson.

Phil Wong

Okay.