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Won questions FDNY on EMS retention and pay parity timeline

New York City Council · Jun 1, 2026 · starts 6:12:08 · 4 min 52 sec

Councilmember Won asks about EMT-to-firefighter versus EMT-to-paramedic transitions and retention. Staff explain 506 EMS members left for firefighter promotions over three classes, with about 70 paramedic graduates per class. Won presses on fixing the retention rate within the 30-day budget process, with staff noting the 30-year unresolved pay parity issue.

Julie Won

Thank you, Chairs.

Julie Won

Okay.

Julie Won

Do you have figures on how many EMTs left to become EMTs?

Julie Won

firefighter versus how many EMTs left to become paramedics for the past year?

Julie Won

And is pay gap the reason or what can we do to

Julie Won

to improve the retention rate.

Julie Won

Thank you.

Unidentified speaker

So I think I have those numbers, although I might have to look up some of them.

Unidentified speaker

So just in terms of how many EMS members have left to become firefighters, you know, over the last three firefighter classes, we've lost 506 members.

Unidentified speaker

And I just want to, EMTs don't leave the job to become paramedics.

Unidentified speaker

They promote to paramedic after going through rigorous training.

Unidentified speaker

So they still stay on EMS.

Unidentified speaker

Each paramedic class, we run approximately two a year.

Unidentified speaker

We graduate about 70 from each one of those classes.

Julie Won

Okay.

Julie Won

And we've been talking about this since the last hearing.

Julie Won

How do we fix this retention rate?

Julie Won

Is that being considered in the current budget year or is still something that's not solved?

Unidentified speaker

I think the commissioner has said it multiple times that one of the things that would help us with retention is

Unidentified speaker

the EMS pay being increased, right?

Unidentified speaker

Like we have members who are out there dedicated every single day, every single day.

Unidentified speaker

that deserve to be compensated for the work that they do.

Unidentified speaker

Right here in the room, just looking around, we have an incentive program every single month.

Unidentified speaker

We have what we call a unit of the month program.

Unidentified speaker

That unit of the month, for the first time ever this month, the same unit from the Bronx,

Unidentified speaker

has won that title two months in a row.

Unidentified speaker

And just two of those members happen to be sitting right here.

Unidentified speaker

I wish your counterpart was here because they actually are from his district.

Unidentified speaker

So I think we need to recognize the work that our EMTs and our paramedics do, and they should be compensated for it.

Julie Won

But in the current budget, the EMS pay levels remain the same.

Julie Won

Is that right?

Unidentified speaker

Yes.

Unidentified speaker

So as of this point, these conversations are still happening between OLR, OMB, and the FDNY unions.

Unidentified speaker

They're in the contract negotiations now, and I don't have a seat at that table.

Unidentified speaker

So, you know, it's an ongoing conversation.

Unidentified speaker

It's a conversation we continue to bring light to because we do believe it's step one to stabilizing the EMS system, which, you know, as the chief spoke about and Chief Miano has spoken about, is a real thing.

Unidentified speaker

Like, I think at this point, we need to stabilize our EMS system, and the pay is going to be one of those things that set us on the right path to get that done.

Unidentified speaker

And possibly then we can...

Unidentified speaker

look at promotion processes, right?

Unidentified speaker

So if there is an option to stay in EMS, somebody may take that.

Unidentified speaker

But right now, we have a 17,000 person department who are willing to do just about anything to keep New Yorkers safe.

Unidentified speaker

They'll do it in good weather and bad weather.

Unidentified speaker

They'll do it in any time of year.

Unidentified speaker

And as you've seen over the last, you know, the last winter we had, which is extraordinarily cold, which caused a lot of the fires we're seeing now.

Unidentified speaker

Or you see it during a pandemic, which was incredibly challenging.

Unidentified speaker

The fire department never turns their back on New Yorkers.

Unidentified speaker

So at this point, we're saying we have to prepare ourselves and build this department in a way that provides these services for the next five decades for New York.

Unidentified speaker

And that's what this conversation is about, trying to make sure that we can have a robust and sustained EMS system to provide those cares.

Julie Won

Yeah, but we have a budget process that's due in 30 days, and what you're saying is that we don't know how to fix this pay gap until the contract negotiations have definite terms.

Julie Won

And that's going to take a lot longer than the 30 days that I'm putting together the budget.

Julie Won

Is that right?

Unidentified speaker

Well, I will say that those conversations are ongoing, and EMS has been part of the fire department for 30 years, and this has been unresolved.

Unidentified speaker

So I'm guessing in the next 30 days it probably will not be resolved, but I do hope that we get to a point where we resolve it sooner rather than later.

Unidentified speaker

Okay, thank you.

Unidentified speaker

Thank you.

Unidentified speaker

Cheers.

Unidentified speaker

Thank you.