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Council Member Dinowitz on Tracy Towers loan history and accrued interest

New York City Council · Jul 15, 2026 · starts 1:07:36 · 2 min 44 sec

Dinowitz details Tracy Towers' $40.7M loan from 1971 accruing $106.2M in interest by 2012, and asks HPD to clarify the debt history. Julie Walpert explains a withdrawn federal subsidy led to the interest accrual, and HPD/HDC deferred payments to protect tenants.

Eric Dinowitz

Okay, I want to talk about capital needs.

Eric Dinowitz

I mean, brief history of Tracy Towers.

Eric Dinowitz

Tell me if any of this is off base.

Eric Dinowitz

This is according to financial documents for Tracy Towers.

Eric Dinowitz

In 19, it was 1971.

Eric Dinowitz

It was built with a $40.7 million loan.

Eric Dinowitz

It was a low interest, no interest loan.

Eric Dinowitz

That was part of the Michelin program.

Eric Dinowitz

And by 2012, Tracy owed the principal and an additional $106.2 million in interest.

Eric Dinowitz

Is that inaccurate?

Adam Phillips

I mean, I'll have to look more deeply into the existing debt on Tracy Towers.

Adam Phillips

So he's deferring and accruing.

Julie Walpert

So when the development was first being developed, there was supposed to be a federal subsidy that would bring down the interest rate.

Julie Walpert

And prior to occupancy, that subsidy was withdrawn.

Julie Walpert

So, you know, again, that predates me.

Julie Walpert

I've been here forever, but it still predates me.

Eric Dinowitz

I guess not forever.

Eric Dinowitz

But the question is still, it started with a $40.7 million loan, and by 2012, there was $106.2 million

Eric Dinowitz

interest on that loan, plus the principal.

Adam Phillips

Right, yeah.

Adam Phillips

So the program that Julie was referring to subsidized the interest rate or the interest rate payments, is that right?

Adam Phillips

And without that subsidy, that is the result.

Eric Dinowitz

Over the course, so it sounds like over the course of 50 years, HPD did nothing to try to lower those interest payments, didn't do anything to pay off the principal, and now residents today are paying the price.

Adam Phillips

I mean, I wouldn't agree with that statement, Julie.

Eric Dinowitz

That's why I'm asking you to please clarify the history.

Eric Dinowitz

And this is going to be my last because I'll come back for a second round, if that's okay, because I know there's a ton of other people.

Julie Walpert

If we had addressed those arrears, it would have been on the tenants to address those arrears.

Julie Walpert

And so what HPD and HGC work together to balloon those arrears, put them aside, not require any payment on them, and it will just remain affordable for 50 years at this point.

Julie Walpert

But it was actually done that way to protect the tenants so that they wouldn't have rent increases to pay the debt service.

Eric Dinowitz

Okay, I'm going to follow up on this later, but we have a ton of other people.

Eric Dinowitz

Thank you so much, Chair, for the opportunity.

Eric Dinowitz

Thank you.