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Public Testimony

Ahmed Bilici (Turkish carriage driver) testifies with translator

New York City Council · Jul 15, 2026 · starts 5:13:09 · 5 min 48 sec

Ahmed Bilici, a Turkish immigrant and carriage driver/owner since 2003, testifies through a translator about his American dream, his investment in the business, and his love for his horses as family members.

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

My name is Ahmed Bilici, I'm a Turkish American, I'm an immigrant here.

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

I'm a horse carriage driver and I'm an owner.

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

I've been a carriage driver since 2003 in Central Park.

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

We want this job very much, because it is our life, our livelihood, our future, our whole life, our family, our children, our future.

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

And this is not just a livelihood for us, it's a way of life.

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

Not just for me, but also for my family too.

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

In my family,

Member of the Public - Saymaz

Mind you, actually, I made this as my career for the last 23 years.

Member of the Public - Saymaz

I've put on all of my savings into this business.

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

We want to protect our athletes.

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

We want to talk about different things.

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

We want to make them more secure.

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

We want to make them more secure.

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

Sheyla yapıyor, da kaya çisinden.

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

Ama bu Central Park'un bir simgesi, New York'un bir simgesi, 150, 160 yılık bir iş.

Member of the Public - Saymaz

I believe that this is a heritage, this is a symbol of Central Park.

Member of the Public - Saymaz

I can tell for myself and for the other carry drivers that we've been doing all of our best for the safety and all the concerns of the New Yorkers.

Lynn C. Schulman

You're going to get an extra two minutes because of the translation, so just put another two minutes on.

Lynn C. Schulman

Go ahead.

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

Eşte Amerika gelme hayalımızın mıttaníası, burada hayat kurmak, daha iyi şartlarda yaşama, Çuklurun daha iyi geleceğe için,

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

daha iyi şartlarda olmasını sağlamak için geliyoruz, çalışıyorumuz bir yer burası.

Member of the Public - Saymaz

I came to this country to live the American dream.

Member of the Public - Saymaz

I spent almost a quarter century.

Member of the Public - Saymaz

and living with this business, put my families and my future into this business.

Member of the Public - Saymaz

Now everybody's gathered here and talking about actually putting them on the street, living with no work.

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

Sadece işimizi kaybetmek olmazın, yatırımız şeylerde kaybeteceğiz, yatırımız, 25 yılık birikimizi yatırdımız.

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

Çocuklarım okula gidiyor buraya, üniversite gidiyor, ikinci oğlum lise gidiyor.

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

Bütün geleceğimizi onlar için yestek.

Member of the Public - Saymaz

They're only talking about a job replacement and all that, good things, but they're not talking about my entire life savings.

Member of the Public - Saymaz

I have kids.

Member of the Public - Saymaz

They're all going to college.

Member of the Public - Saymaz

What do they want me to do, like pack up and leave?

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

Artı, bizim atlarımız, bizim aileminizden bireyilerden gibi, yani sadece böle sabah 9.85 çalışma işimiz değil, 24 saat

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

ilgide şey yaptımız, 24 saat ilgilendimiz bakım yaptımız hayvanlar.

Member of the Public - Saymaz

So they may think that the horses, with the horses we spend only between 95, but it is not the fact.

Member of the Public - Saymaz

Some people also mentioned here that we've been actually living and breathing with them sometimes 24 hours a day.

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

Mesle, çalışmadımız günler da ahlara, onlarla ilgilendir biliyoruz, onlara duş aldırız, bakımları yapıyoruz, emin olmak istiyorum, sağlılar mı, iyi ler mı, konfor, şeyler yerinde mı.

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

Yani, bu narım, aileminizin parçası.

Member of the Public - Saymaz

So we don't just, we're not with the horses only when we're working.

Member of the Public - Saymaz

On our off days or the times or the hours that we're not working, we're still with the horses.

Member of the Public - Saymaz

We're giving them a bath, we're feeding them, making sure that actually they're taken care of.

Member of the Public - Saymaz

We see them as a part of our family.

Lynn C. Schulman

Okay, he needs to summarize and wrap it up.

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

Tama.

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

Yani, nasıl bizim ülkemiz olduğu gibi atlar çok önemli insanlara şeyse, 5.000 yıllık geçmişi var.

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

New York'da, Amerika'da at lükesi, yani atların New York...

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

New York'un parçası, ona göre şey yapıyoruz.

Member of the Public - Ahmed Bilici

Hatta burada da hi, yani Amerika'nin duvar da hi atın resim var, orada görmüş olduğumuz gibi hatlar bizim insanlar parçası çok seviyoruz, onları kurmak istiyorum ve işimizi sahib çıkma istiyorum.

Member of the Public - Saymaz

Of course, the horses have been all part of our lives for thousands of years, and even here in this room I can see.

Member of the Public - Saymaz

That it is also on a picture, on a painting right here on the wall.

Member of the Public - Saymaz

And I believe the part of the city also built with horses.

Member of the Public - Saymaz

And, you know, sadly that they want to get rid of them.

Member of the Public - Saymaz

We want the horses to be part of our lives in the city.

Lynn C. Schulman

Okay.

Lynn C. Schulman

All right.

Lynn C. Schulman

Thank you.

Lynn C. Schulman

Who's next?

Lynn C. Schulman

Okay.

Lynn C. Schulman

Is the mic on?