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Clara Tavakoli-Gosha testifies remotely supporting ban

New York City Council · Jul 15, 2026 · starts 8:20:04 · 2 min 7 sec

Clara Tavakoli-Gosha, a multi-species ethicist with a Harvard master's, testifies remotely that lack of oversight is devastating, that no one truly enjoys the carriage experience, and proposes museum-like immersive historical experiences as cruelty-free alternatives.

Member of the Public - Clara Tavakoli-Gosha

Hello, my name is Clara Tavakoli-Gosha, and I am a multi-species ethicist with a master's from Harvard University.

Member of the Public - Clara Tavakoli-Gosha

My work involves addressing the dominance of the anthropocentric worldview with respect for all species.

Member of the Public - Clara Tavakoli-Gosha

If these horses were truly cared for and respected, they would not be in this industry.

Member of the Public - Clara Tavakoli-Gosha

Lack of oversight and transparency for the well-being of horses in the carriage industry is not surprising, but it has been devastating to hear the extent of it in this council meeting.

Member of the Public - Clara Tavakoli-Gosha

When we see a horse attached to a carriage collapsing in the street, there are countless devastated passersby.

Member of the Public - Clara Tavakoli-Gosha

New Yorkers stop to try and help the horse.

Member of the Public - Clara Tavakoli-Gosha

Some are crying, some are filming, and time and again we see the driver looking on with an expression of annoyance rather than concern for the horse.

Member of the Public - Clara Tavakoli-Gosha

Every sad passerby is not an animal rights activist, as those who exploit horses suggest, to minimize how many people care.

Member of the Public - Clara Tavakoli-Gosha

Yes, New Yorkers care and are saddened by the continual displays of cruelty to horses being forced to work.

Member of the Public - Clara Tavakoli-Gosha

Tourists expect New York City attractions to be fun and safe.

Member of the Public - Clara Tavakoli-Gosha

Who truly enjoys this?

Member of the Public - Clara Tavakoli-Gosha

Not the horses, not the residents, not the tourists, not even the drivers.

Member of the Public - Clara Tavakoli-Gosha

Wasn't this supposed to be a pleasant experience?

Member of the Public - Clara Tavakoli-Gosha

The way nostalgia works is that we recall something from a bygone time in our lives, often from childhood.

Member of the Public - Clara Tavakoli-Gosha

No one alive today remembers the 1800s.

Member of the Public - Clara Tavakoli-Gosha

What could be fun is real nostalgia.

Member of the Public - Clara Tavakoli-Gosha

Instead, imagine unique museum-like spaces designed for immersion and photographs, featuring styles and music from different eras of New York City, providing a historical experience that is actually fun and cruelty-free.

Member of the Public - Clara Tavakoli-Gosha

The horses must finally be freed to live at sanctuaries and have a chance to feel relief, no longer forced to work until they collapse and die from pain and exhaustion.

Member of the Public - Clara Tavakoli-Gosha

I very much look forward to this band finally being made official.

Member of the Public - Clara Tavakoli-Gosha

Thank you for your time.

Lynn C. Schulman

Thank you very much.

Lynn C. Schulman

Victoria Moran.

Council Staff

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