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Kathleen Schatzman (Animal Legal Defense Fund) testifies supporting ban

New York City Council · Jul 15, 2026 · starts 4:37:58 · 2 min 14 sec

Kathleen Schatzman of the Animal Legal Defense Fund testifies about a 2014 FOIA lawsuit revealing dozens of hit-and-runs and injuries, commits to contributing transport costs for horses, and calls the ban a public safety issue.

Member of the Public - Kathleen Schatzman

Good afternoon.

Member of the Public - Kathleen Schatzman

My name is Kathleen Schatzman, Strategic Legislative Affairs Manager with the Animal Legal Defense Fund.

Member of the Public - Kathleen Schatzman

And I want to start by thanking you, Council Member Marte.

Member of the Public - Kathleen Schatzman

for introducing this bill, and to all of the 21 council members that are signed on in support.

Member of the Public - Kathleen Schatzman

We, too, are supportive and committed to this issue.

Member of the Public - Kathleen Schatzman

And the Animal Legal Defense Fund is contributing to the cost of transport for the horses should you vote to pass Intro 943, Ramach's Law.

Member of the Public - Kathleen Schatzman

I mention that because there has been discussion and talk about the cost and financial aspect of a transition.

Member of the Public - Kathleen Schatzman

We're all here as animal protection organizations.

Member of the Public - Kathleen Schatzman

However, make no mistake, this is a public safety issue.

Member of the Public - Kathleen Schatzman

In 2014, the Animal Legal Defense Fund's successful State Freedom of Information Act lawsuit revealed that New York City's carriage drivers had committed more than a dozen hit-and-runs over the previous five years and that children,

Member of the Public - Kathleen Schatzman

cyclists, pedestrians, carriage drivers, passengers, and NYPD officers had all been physically injured by accidents involved in New York City's horse carriages.

Member of the Public - Kathleen Schatzman

In one incident, and I think this just needs us to go into detail a bit, one child was rushed to the hospital after falling out of a carriage and run over by a wheel.

Member of the Public - Kathleen Schatzman

In another incident, a carriage driver was found by police lying in the street, not moving, after being thrown to the ground.

Member of the Public - Kathleen Schatzman

Another carriage driver was hospitalized in a coma after his horse became startled and collided with a station wagon.

Member of the Public - Kathleen Schatzman

This latest...

Member of the Public - Kathleen Schatzman

unimaginable tragedy exemplifies the urgent need to bring an end to the horse carriage industry in New York City.

Member of the Public - Kathleen Schatzman

A prohibition on horse-drawn carriages is the only meaningful way to definitively protect the public and the horses in New York City.

Member of the Public - Kathleen Schatzman

And we urge you all to pass Intro 943.

Member of the Public - Kathleen Schatzman

But I do want to make one last comment.

Member of the Public - Kathleen Schatzman

New York City is the greatest city in the world, and it will remain so without horse carriage rides.

Lynn C. Schulman

Thank you very much.

Lynn C. Schulman

Mia?

Lynn C. Schulman

Okay, go ahead.