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Public Testimony

Jamal Butler (Local 79) on labor exploitation on office-to-residential conversions

New York City Council · Sep 9, 2026 · starts 5:29:47 · 2 min 17 sec

Butler describes working on concrete conversion projects for $25/hour while struggling to pay for health insurance, facing silica dust exposure, delayed paychecks, and near-miss safety incidents. He argues workers on complex conversion projects deserve $40/hour protections.

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

Good morning, Chair.

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

My name is Jamal Butler, and I'm from Staten Island.

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

I work for a concrete...

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

Contract on affordable housing project and residential conversion.

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

When I was working there, I struggled to pay for my health insurance.

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

I was making $25 an hour, but at the end of the month, I still had to pay something like $4.85 out of my own pocket to get my own health insurance.

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

I needed this health coverage because I had one of the most dangerous jobs.

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

I was grinding concrete cement, and all the dust used to go straight in my face.

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

I used to look like somebody beat me with a bag of flour.

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

Someone told me, watch out, silica will creep up on you.

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

So I bought my own respirator and my own health insurance.

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

But then I had no money left at the end of the month.

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

There were times I wouldn't even get paid on time, or my check would bounce.

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

I needed a side hustle or a second job to make ends meet.

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

My coworkers and I worked ourselves to the bone.

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

We got so tired it created safety problems and falling objects almost took my life multiple times.

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

Too many construction workers are getting exploited, especially on job sites receiving taxpayer money or public benefits.

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

These contractors...

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

Should pay us enough to live decently and afford health care, not run us into the ground and leave us with no savings.

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

No one can tell me that we don't deserve to make $40 per hour, especially working on office to residential conversions.

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

Need these protections because they can be very complex and dangerous projects.

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

Paying construction workers fairly and hiring from local communities.

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

And establishing the Construction Justice Act will improve job site safety and productivity.

Member of the Public - Jamal Butler

Thank you.