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Banks asks how PAC conversions affect work order performance; Beck says data not comparable

New York City Council · Sep 22, 2026 · starts 1:58:41 · 2 min 19 sec

Banks asks how converting 30,000 Section 9 units to PAC has affected overall work order performance. Beck says PAC data is collected differently and is not directly comparable, but PACT has brought $10 billion in investment across over 32,000 apartments.

Chris Banks

All right, so we're going to move on to transparency.

Chris Banks

How has the conversions of the 30,000 Section 9 units to PAC impacted overall work order performance?

Chris Banks

You want me to react to you?

Heather Beck

Thank you for the question.

Heather Beck

It's a little difficult for us to answer just because we, again, on the PAC side, are monitoring work orders as they're resolved in those key pillar areas.

Heather Beck

And the work order data and information that we collect on the Section 9 side is vastly different and much more detailed.

Heather Beck

And a lot of that is because...

Heather Beck

We are in an oversight role as the Section 8 administrator for the PACT program.

Heather Beck

And I think fundamentally, we are able to address the full capital needs that are needed at the developments when they convert through the program.

Heather Beck

So that's $10 billion in investment that we've been able to make across the city, over 32,000 apartments.

Heather Beck

And we can see from the data in that portfolio from the work order data that we collect, you know, that there are significantly fewer work orders opened.

Heather Beck

Again, that's for a different subset of key pillar areas.

Heather Beck

But this year so far, there have been 16,000 work orders opened across the 32,000 apartments.

Heather Beck

So that's about 51 work orders per 100 units or one work order for every two apartments.

Heather Beck

It's a very different data set than the NYCHA data set, and I don't think it's fair to compare those two as it's just fundamentally on different footing.

Chris Banks

I'm going to ask this question anyway.

Chris Banks

Are PAC developments outperforming work order response times at Section 9 developments?

Heather Beck

I can speak just to the work order and the response times for the PACT property managers, and they are responding within the vastly, or majority of them are responding within the required response times.

Chris Banks

How are they outperforming?

Heather Beck

I don't think that is a fair comparison to make.

Chris Banks

Okay.