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Public panel discusses academic validators and kill-switch risks

New York City Council · Oct 5, 2026 · starts 6:53:04 · 1 min 34 sec

Julia Stoyanovich says academia must lead the charge because the city lacks expertise, and that oversight must be public oversight. Nate Soares praises the organizations that investigated Hugging Face, and Nathan Sheard warns against kill switches being used to chill speech.

Julie Menin

Thank you.

Member of the Public - Julia Stoyanovich

So I don't think it's unexpected that I would say this, being that I am an academic.

Member of the Public - Julia Stoyanovich

I think that academia have to lead the charge on this, right?

Member of the Public - Julia Stoyanovich

Because one of the things we're seeing in the city is that there simply isn't enough expertise to be able to oversee these systems.

Member of the Public - Julia Stoyanovich

And ultimately, our goals should be...

Member of the Public - Julia Stoyanovich

To bring as much information as possible into public view.

Member of the Public - Julia Stoyanovich

Sunlight is the best disinfectant, right?

Member of the Public - Julia Stoyanovich

So really, oversight has to be public oversight.

Julie Menin

Does anyone else want to take that?

Member of the Public - Nate Soares

I'd add that the folks who, the third parties who investigated the hugging face incident seem to me to have done a good job.

Member of the Public - Nate Soares

And my guess is that they're overworked right now.

Member of the Public - Nate Soares

I think those were the organization's meter and Redwood research, but they seem to have done a good job so far.

Member of the Public - Nathan Sheard

I think it's an excellent question, who is the right party?

Member of the Public - Nathan Sheard

And I don't have a great answer for that.

Member of the Public - Nathan Sheard

What I would like to say, though, is there's still research being done on the efficacy of kill switches.

Member of the Public - Nathan Sheard

What I caution the council to think about is the risk of a kill switch being used

Member of the Public - Nathan Sheard

as a tool to chill on popular speech.

Member of the Public - Nathan Sheard

And so really thinking through to make sure that as we think about the ways that we want to provide the right protections for New Yorkers, that we're also not building tools that in the future could be used to harm people's essential liberties.