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Turner and Kokotajlo on treaties and concentration of AI power

New York City Council · Oct 5, 2026 · starts 0:45:43 · 1 min 42 sec

Turner discusses technical AI governance research on trustless international treaties with audit mechanisms. Kokotajlo adds that even if CEOs maintain control, they should not be trusted with it, noting a chance they could become dictators or oligarchs.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

So, and then third, in terms of potential deal, I think there is a room for a treaty for a long time.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

There's been a field of scientific research called technical AI governance that says, well, suppose the world

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

Finally.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

Anyways, the dangers presented by these reckless California companies, and they say, what do we do about it?

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

Is there a solution we can implement?

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

And there are many legitimate, real proposals for having a trustless international treaty that doesn't assume that China will cooperate, but instead it has mechanisms by which we could audit cooperation.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

And if they defect, then we could respond appropriately.

Member of the Public - Alex Turner

So I think we have many real options at the table and should certainly not stop at what about China.

Julie Menin

Did you want to add something?

Julie Menin

Yes, please go.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

Yeah, I agree with everything that Mr.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

Turner said.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

I just wanted to add one additional thing, which is that even if hypothetically

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

these tech CEOs manage to maintain control of their super intelligent AIs that are recursively self-improving, which again, I think is a very big if, I think almost certainly they will not be able to maintain control.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

Even if they do manage to maintain control, I don't think we should trust them with that control.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

I think that there's a very real chance that they could use it to become dictators or oligarchs here in the United States.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

And so that's an additional reason to stop them over and above the fact that they might lose control.

Member of the Public - Daniel Kokotajlo

We have more adversaries than just China, I would say.