Menin asks about total technical staff versus safety staff

So you're saying that a year ago there were three safety employees in the company working on safety around AI?

Yes.

And in comparison to at that time a year ago, how many employees can you answer where they're at the company overall?

Well, it really depends how you're counting.

We had a large number of AI tutors who were responsible for training the model, and they were contractors.

We had a large number of data center employees.

I believe that in terms of technical staff that were involved in the direct training and development of the model, the number that I recall is in the 200s.

So the idea that there were only three people dedicated to safety, and when I asked Ms.

Castillo-Madrid how many employees were dedicated to safety, she told me she could not answer that question.

Is that credible that the senior manager of global government affairs at SpaceX AI would not actually know how many safety employees would exist at the company?

It would be difficult for me to speak to that.

I will say it.

What is credible is if she is not deeply involved in understanding the day-to-day of the safety development of the company.

I say this because I had strong relationships with the two formal legal counsels during my tenure at XAI.

The reason we had a strong relationship is because I would point out issues going on within the company or with the Brock model and would also propose and implement solutions to be solving those problems.

And we were able to develop a strong relationship that way and making their jobs easier and helping the company do the right thing.

I think given the level of detail that I heard today, I'm not...

I wouldn't feel comfortable that she would have the same level of detail and understanding.