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George Thurston links idling pollution to cardiovascular and respiratory harm

New York City Council · Oct 20, 2026 · starts 0:38:46 · 3 min 11 sec

Thurston, an NYU School of Medicine air-pollution researcher, describes his work linking PM2.5 to mortality and diesel particles to asthma and heart disease. He warns that regeneration and other exemptions in 561-A could become broad loopholes.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

Good afternoon.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

Yeah, George Thurston.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

I work at the New York University School of Medicine.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

I live outside the city, but I commute in and I walk from Grand Central to my office a little over a mile.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

So I experience the kinds of pollution and probably more noticeable to me because I often carry a pollution monitor, which I recommend, a portable one.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

And I actually...

James F. Gennaro

And we'll let you go on a little bit, but what kind of device do you carry?

Member of the Public - George Thurston

Just a portable particulate matter monitor.

James F. Gennaro

Okay.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

Anyway, and I'll present some of those data in my written.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

And I study health effects of air pollution.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

I published, you mentioned the PM2.5.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

I published the very first paper relating PM2.5 to mortality in the United States in 1987.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

The US EPA cited my research when they set the standard in 1997.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

And I've done studies here in the United States, well, throughout the United States, but in New York City of children's, the backpack study, that was mine.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

I've done a number of studies in New York showing the continuing effects of this on not just from this particular problem, but from diesel, especially particles in this city.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

And so we need to take vigorous action.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

So I commend the committee for taking this on.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

And enforcing these idling rules.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

However, I also am concerned about the exemptions.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

such as for regeneration clean cycles, and could be potential loopholes and should be avoided.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

That's in 561A.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

I've done a lot of work with power plants, and they get exemptions something like this, where it says, well, if they change operations, they're allowed to emit for a short period of time.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

And you wouldn't believe how many times they call on that.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

It's just, and the emissions of, the annual emissions go way up because they just do it, and they just mark it down.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

We just did this.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

So I think it's really human nature being what it is.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

It doesn't sound like you can find out whether it really was happening or not.

James F. Gennaro

Please continue because I held you up for a couple of moments with your other thing.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

So just in conclusion, I think that we need to be more proactive in enforcement.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

You know, and you mentioned hiring some new people, maybe more of that.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

And I also think looking at solutions, not just these kind of extreme events, you know, of idling, but it's a general problem.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

We're bathed in pollution from traffic every day.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

We walk around.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

And if you compare where I live out in Westchester, when I come into work, that's where I get all my exposure to pollution every day.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

So we need to do things like giving incentives for EV trucks, heavy-duty trucks, and to drive that switchover off diesels.

Member of the Public - George Thurston

We need to get them.

James F. Gennaro

Professor, I'm going to have to, you know, step in because I'll– I'm going to have to step in and, you know, enforce the time limit.

James F. Gennaro

Okay.

James F. Gennaro

That's all I have to say.