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Public Testimony

Patrick Condren asks that private buses be treated like public buses

New York City Council · Oct 20, 2026 · starts 2:50:44 · 2 min 21 sec

Condren says buses are the most environmentally efficient passenger vehicles and should be exempt from idling fines like public buses. He calls the three-minute rule untenable and cites a 15-minute federal guideline for buses.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

Thank you.

James F. Gennaro

Patrick, just state your name for the record.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

I am Patrick Condren.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

I'm the administrator of the Bus for NYC Coalition, which was formed in 2018 to address issues in my industry, which I'm lifelong in the bus industry and a member of BANI and a board member.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

At that time in 2018, congestion pricing was an issue.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

And unfortunately,

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

Many people do not be exempt in the area, but all buses, intercity, commuter, and our operators are exempt.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

We're part of the public and private position and transportation, providing public transportation in New York City.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

I was one of the owners of the franchise bus companies back in the day.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

I work with the guys today.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

So having said that, a bus is the most environmentally efficient passenger vehicle on the streets of New York.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

Regarding oversight of the Citizens Air Complaint Group, we support changes in this program, as Mr.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

Evry just pointed out.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

And it's a reminder that bus lines...

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

Rail lines, airlines, or passenger carryings, not cargo.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

The issue today is New York City policy includes buses as part of the public system, just like the MTA.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

because all the MTA buses were routes in all of Queens and Brooklyn where I was.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

And there's 170 miles of bus lanes because all public ride the bus lanes.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

And they're not exempt.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

It's just we use them.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

Trucks don't use them.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

Cars don't use them.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

Everybody at this panel earlier today referred to cars and trucks.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

It's our position that just like congestion pricing, just like parking, ICBPS, and numerous other city rules, that private buses, just like public buses, should be administratively exempt from the actual fines.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

Today, there's millions of dollars and thousands of tickets being issued to private bus companies, as Glenn pointed out.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

don't even want to come into New York City anymore.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

So the three-minute rule is untenable.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

The federal guideline is 15 minutes for a bus to idle if they had to.

Member of the Public - Patrick Condren

And we believe that at this point in time, people should be reminded that 55 people on a bus is the most environmentally sound vehicle on the streets of New York, and they're included with and they should be treated the same as publicly owned buses.

James F. Gennaro

Thank you.