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Council Member Brewer challenges Chair Sherman on Upper West Side targets

New York City Council · Oct 21, 2026 · starts 1:39:53 · 1 min 59 sec

She says she will vote against ballot initiatives, asks how the city will get 12,000 units, and says the only way to change it is to go to court; Garodnick says they are focused on implementation.

Gale A. Brewer

I'm just telling you, you haven't been around that long and I have.

Dan Garodnick

I recognize that.

Dan Garodnick

And I recognize your commitment to your district and commitment to affordable housing.

Dan Garodnick

We have an opportunity now to figure out how we fast track affordable housing together.

Gale A. Brewer

Okay, I understand that in what we're going to vote on November 3rd, I'm voting against all of them, just so you know.

Gale A. Brewer

But understand that the 7% is even an increased amount of projected wanted housing on the Upper West Side.

Gale A. Brewer

How the hell are you going to get what you had before?

Dan Garodnick

I'm sorry.

Gale A. Brewer

Okay, they were voting on the ballot initiatives.

Dan Garodnick

Oh, okay.

Dan Garodnick

I'm sorry.

Gale A. Brewer

Okay.

Gale A. Brewer

I hate them, just so you know.

Gale A. Brewer

And so the question is, understanding that in that ballot, there will be a projected even more required housing on the Upper West Side than there was in the past.

Gale A. Brewer

You're trying to get 12,000 units or some crazy amount out of the Upper West Side.

Gale A. Brewer

Where are you going to get that?

Dan Garodnick

So with respect to the affordable housing fast track voted in the last election, there is not a numeric target that's required, right?

Gale A. Brewer

Yeah, but whatever's on the bottom 12 is where it ends up.

Dan Garodnick

But we've created a rate, and the rate is relative to your overall housing production.

Gale A. Brewer

We have housing production.

Gale A. Brewer

You just don't count it because it's conversion and not new.

Gale A. Brewer

I have three conversions, and you don't count them because they're not new.

Dan Garodnick

So it does have to be new affordable housing units.

Dan Garodnick

Yes.

Dan Garodnick

And so it is a rate, though, so there's not a raw number.

Dan Garodnick

There's a way in which in the next five-year calculation, the Upper West Side may look very different based on the rate.

Gale A. Brewer

I don't care about five years.

Gale A. Brewer

I only care about now.

Dan Garodnick

Okay, well, the next five years is when the calculation would happen again.

Gale A. Brewer

So the only way to change it is to go to court.

Gale A. Brewer

Is that correct?

Gale A. Brewer

The only way to change this is to go to court.

Dan Garodnick

So we're focused on implementation.

Gale A. Brewer

I'm focused on changing it and going to court.

Gale A. Brewer

Thank you very much.

Dan Garodnick

Understood.

Dan Garodnick

Understood.

Kevin C. Riley

I almost did not want to stop Councilmember Bruick.

Kevin C. Riley

I was scared.

Kevin C. Riley

She's extremely, extremely frustrated at this process.

Kevin C. Riley

So thank you, Councilmember Brewer.

Kevin C. Riley

Councilmember Santus-Wosso, followed by Councilmember Lee.