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Chair Menin and Robert Bookman Debate DOT vs. DCWP Program Management

New York City Council · Apr 23, 2025 · starts 0:46:39 · 2 min 1 sec

Chair Julie Menin and Robert Bookman discuss why the outdoor dining program should have remained under the jurisdiction of the Department of Consumer and Worker Protection (DCWP) rather than the Department of Transportation.

Julie Menin

It should have always gone to DCWP, which has a licensing center right down the street that you can walk into that when people have issues, they can actually talk to someone to help them fill the paperwork out.

Julie Menin

I mean, why would we give this program to a transit agency?

Julie Menin

Why wouldn't we give the program to a licensing agency?

Julie Menin

And we simply did not have those concerns, quite frankly.

Julie Menin

And Rob, I know you can attest to this.

Julie Menin

You know, we worked together a long time on DCWP issues around the sidewalk cafe issues.

Julie Menin

So I'm very concerned about that aspect of this.

Rob Bookman

I I filed thousand applications over the years under the old I still call it consumer affairs, I'm sorry.

Rob Bookman

That's where I met my wife, and it was good.

Rob Bookman

We both worked at Consumer Affairs, so it's for me it's Department of Consumer Affairs.

Rob Bookman

I filed over a thousand applications.

Rob Bookman

You physically went there, it was it was the special application unit, not even a window, a special application unit because it was complicated.

Rob Bookman

There's plans, there's photographs, there's a lot of documents.

Rob Bookman

Somebody would sit down with you, you can make an appointment or wait, they would review it, and they would either uh say, No, this you need this, you need that, and then come on back and we'll accept the application, or you got everything here, stamped approved within five days.

Rob Bookman

They sent that on to the next step in you know uh in the process while they did their substantive review.

Rob Bookman

That was listen, that was a compromise.

Rob Bookman

The administration insisted on on it being uh DOT.

Rob Bookman

I think they you know they they've done the best job that they can be.

Julie Menin

I just want to interrupt for a minute.

Julie Menin

I just want to say it again.

Julie Menin

The administration insisted that it be DOT.

Julie Menin

Yes.

Julie Menin

We I I we I couldn't have been clearer personally with my objections.

Julie Menin

I know other colleagues had objections around DOT, and now I think we are all paying the price, and quite frankly, it needs to be remedied, and that's one of the goals of this hearing.

Julie Menin

Um, I do have one more question, and then I wanted to turn it over to the chair and the colleagues who I know have a number of questions.