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Alexis Lawson (carriage driver) testifies opposing ban

New York City Council · Jul 15, 2026 · starts 4:21:54 · 2 min 10 sec

Alexis Lawson, a Queens native and carriage driver since 2021, testifies about her bond with her horse Midnight, who helped her through her mother's death, and argues animal welfare and animal rights are different topics.

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen left of the council.

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

My name is Alexis Lawson.

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

I am a Queens native who is from South Jamaica, and I'm asking you to oppose Intro 943.

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

Being a young girl from the South Side, I never had the opportunity to see the animals I was so obsessed with until the day I was allowed to pet a waiting carriage horse, and it set my path in stone.

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

I used to parrot animal abuse when I was a little girl.

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

You know, I loved animals and I believed what I saw online.

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

Then I learned that animal welfare should never be about if an animal has a job or not, but rather about how the animal's physical and mental needs are being met.

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

I transitioned into carriage driving in 2021, leaving an office job for my passion.

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

And it was my very first carriage horse, Midnight, who would be my saving grace as I lost my mom at the beginning of my career.

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

She pulled me from my depression when nothing could, being my therapist and best friend.

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

As such, I could not imagine being ripped away from working aside my horse for him.

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

Just the thought of not being able to work aside my horse is a soul question, for no one sees the dedication and love we share.

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

Instead, I look at her job and callously claim I don't love her.

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

Animal welfare is incredibly important, and I feel we need to remind people that animal welfare and animal rights are two incredibly different topics.

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

At this time, I would also like to extend my heartfelt condolences to the family of Ramanak.

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

The tragic passing of this young man was and still is felt deeply by our entire industry, which is why we are asking to move forward instead with Intro 930.

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

Because to take advantage of a family's laws for political gain is abhorrent.

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

And in light of that, we are requesting stronger driver training and safety in his honor.

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

He came here to take a carriage ride, as millions have done for over 100 years.

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

Carriage horses are woven into the fabric of New York City's identity.

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

How dare you tell them they do not belong?

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

How can you claim to love horses but then want to destroy their careers, take food from their mouths, from their families and their owners who love them?

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

I strongly urge the council to oppose 943.

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

And instead, I ask you all to focus and support until 937, which is working on reforming the industry as a whole.

Member of the Public - Alexis Lawson

Thank you.

Lynn C. Schulman

Thank you very much.

Lynn C. Schulman

Councilmember Gennaro has a question for this panel.