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Dave Cook (carriage driver since 1982) testifies on real estate motivations

New York City Council · Jul 15, 2026 · starts 4:19:32 · 2 min 22 sec

Dave Cook, a carriage driver since 1982, testifies about the real estate motivations behind the ban, pointing to boarded-up buildings near the stables and Hudson Yards development as evidence of a land grab.

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

Hi, my name is Dave Cook.

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

I have been a carriage driver since August of 82.

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

And yes, the correct characterization is long in the tooth.

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

I have been, this is third, possibly fourth of my appearances before this August board.

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

And the issues are almost always the same.

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

The real estate that the carriages hold is extraordinarily valuable.

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

And the amount of effort to obtain that real estate knows no bounds.

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

And ethically, morally,

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

Precisely what's going on today as in 40 years ago is a walk down 38th Street starting at 10th Avenue.

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

You walk west towards the Javits Center.

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

You're going to come upon the Manhattan Hotel, 10, 12 stories.

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

It looks like 1970s architecture to me, boarded up, ready for demolition.

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

Directly across the street, what was probably originally built as livery 100 some odd years ago, the last 100 years has been doing automotive repair, boarded up, ready for demolition.

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

You walk down the street.

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

100 yards, another building that was probably originally built for livery, has been doing automotive repair, boarded up, set for demolition.

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

You look to the left, and there's our stables, 38th Street.

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

You walk a few more steps, and you'll see the other stables, identical architecture, directly behind ours at 37th Street.

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

But you continue your gaze to the left, and there is the hood ornament of Hudson Yards, the vessel, two blocks right south of there.

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

There is no more precise...

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

Definition of what is going on with the carriages.

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

One of my great loves of living in New York City is the level of critical thinking here is high.

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

You don't take the testimony of, what are they called, night class?

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

They're fully funded by the real estate industry.

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

That is not testimony.

Member of the Public - Dave Cook

That is propaganda.

Lynn C. Schulman

All right.

Lynn C. Schulman

Thank you, Alexis.

Lynn C. Schulman

Oh, I'm, what, the panel's not done yet?

Council Staff

Oh, okay.

Council Staff

No, I'm just letting him know that.

Member of the Public - Roger Mosier

Oh, all right.