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Audra Gibson (former Charleston carriage worker) testifies remotely opposing ban

New York City Council · Jul 15, 2026 · starts 9:05:46 · 3 min 6 sec

Audra Gibson, who worked in Charleston's carriage industry for 4.5 years, testifies remotely opposing the ban, describing rigorous horse care protocols including temperature monitoring between tours, and arguing the industry can be regulated for safety.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

Hello, good evening.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

My name for the record is Audra Gibson.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

I am very much in the minority in comparison to those who have testified that I am here to oppose the March's law.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

I think what happened to that young man is devastating.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

But was an accident.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

Background-wise, I work in Midtown Manhattan.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

Prior to that, I lived in Charleston, South Carolina for 20 years, and for approximately four and a half of those years, worked in the carriage industry.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

It was my job to make sure that the horses got enough rest between tours.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

Constantly in front of water.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

I measured their breathing respirations between tours.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

I made sure that their temperatures were taken between every single tour.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

If a temperature was too high, we immediately pulled those horses off of tour rotation and cooled them down.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

We were responsible for vet care,

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

farrier care, dental equine care, and more.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

There's absolutely zero percent of the industry that I was involved with that was anything close to animal cruelty or abuse.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

And I find it offensive that so many people

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

people have just blatantly accused people in the industry of that.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

We loved those horses and animals like members of our family.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

I saw many carriage owners spend thousands of dollars taking care of animals that they knew would never go back on tour, never be back in the industry.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

To make sure that they were well cared for.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

There is an unfair standard that is being held here.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

Over 100 people a year are killed crossing the street in the city of New York.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

There are people that fall from

Lynn C. Schulman

Time expired.

Lynn C. Schulman

Can you summarize the rest of what you have to say, and then you can submit the lengthy testimony to us?

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

I can.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

If you would be so kind to give me the address, I'd be happy to submit the rest.

Lynn C. Schulman

It's testimony at council.nyc.gov.

Lynn C. Schulman

G-O-V.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

Okay.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

Okay?

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

To conclude, I would say that...

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

Charleston has over 40,000 carriage tours a year.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

We're the most highly regulated industry in the world.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

And so you can regulate around this.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

You can regulate for safety and do so successfully.

Lynn C. Schulman

Thank you very much.

Lynn C. Schulman

Really appreciate it.

Lynn C. Schulman

So again, it's testimony at council, C-O-U-N-C-I-L.

Lynn C. Schulman

Dot nyc.gov, okay?

Lynn C. Schulman

Great, thank you so much.

Lynn C. Schulman

And you have 72 hours from the end of this hearing to do so.

Member of the Public - Audra Gibson

Thank you.

Lynn C. Schulman

D.

Lynn C. Schulman

Schroff is the next person.

Lynn C. Schulman

S-H-R-O-F-F.

Lynn C. Schulman

You may begin.