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Brian Shapiro (Humane World for Animals) testifies supporting ban

New York City Council · Jul 15, 2026 · starts 4:31:30 · 2 min 12 sec

Brian Shapiro of Humane World for Animals testifies about records revealing DOHMH and DCWP don't effectively share data linking horses to carriages and drivers, and says rescue organizations stand ready to help prevent any horse going to slaughter.

Member of the Public - Brian Shapiro

Hello, thank you.

Member of the Public - Brian Shapiro

Good morning, Chair Shulman, Honorable Council Members.

Member of the Public - Brian Shapiro

My name is Brian Shapiro, Director of Humane World for Animals, formerly the Humane Society of the United States.

Member of the Public - Brian Shapiro

We're here supporting Intro 943.

Member of the Public - Brian Shapiro

This legislation would address many of the safety shortcomings that the horse carriage industry has continued for decades.

Member of the Public - Brian Shapiro

The industry's answer is to put more rules in place, all funded by taxpayers.

Member of the Public - Brian Shapiro

The representatives suddenly acknowledged that existing rules were never consistently followed and authorities are now needed to enforce them.

Member of the Public - Brian Shapiro

Compliance should not look like a regulator standing over a horse carriage with an open ticket book and pen in hand.

Member of the Public - Brian Shapiro

The industry has traditionally controlled its own operations.

Member of the Public - Brian Shapiro

It didn't need to wait for another law or death or accident.

Member of the Public - Brian Shapiro

It could have done so after the 2007 or 2009 audits, and it could have done so in the past 160 years.

Member of the Public - Brian Shapiro

City agencies have tried regulations, yet serious problems remain.

Member of the Public - Brian Shapiro

In fact, our recent records requests expose serious problems in the oversight that go unnoticed by the city.

Member of the Public - Brian Shapiro

DOHMH only maintains records on horses, while DCWP maintains records on drivers, carriages, businesses.

Member of the Public - Brian Shapiro

There's no evidence that the agencies effectively share and link records together to say what horse is pulling what carriage, for which driver or which owner, how long are the horses working.

Member of the Public - Brian Shapiro

There needs to be a hard look at this.

Member of the Public - Brian Shapiro

Humane World for Animals and other rescue organizations stand ready and have always stood ready to help with this situation so no animal goes to horse slaughter.

Member of the Public - Brian Shapiro

I think it's fantastical and outrageous to say that these animals are done for.

Member of the Public - Brian Shapiro

I am not an equine surgeon.

Member of the Public - Brian Shapiro

I am someone who has 26 years'experience in this, and I stand, my organization stands by, Catskill Animal Sanctuary, equine advocates.

Member of the Public - Brian Shapiro

We are not fly-by-night operations.

Member of the Public - Brian Shapiro

We are professionals who are here to assist and help these horses.

Member of the Public - Brian Shapiro

Thank you for the opportunity to present, and thank you for your time today.

Lynn C. Schulman

Thank you.

Lynn C. Schulman

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