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Dr. Joanna Grossman (Animal Welfare Institute) testifies supporting ban

New York City Council · Jul 15, 2026 · starts 4:33:41 · 2 min 3 sec

Dr. Joanna Grossman of the Animal Welfare Institute testifies about heading the Homeless Horses Coalition of 500+ rescues, supports the ban, and lists welfare concerns including exhaust, noise, traffic, long hours, and lack of pasture access.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

I can go.

Lynn C. Schulman

One of you should go.

Lynn C. Schulman

Go ahead.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

Sure.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

Good morning, or good afternoon, I should say.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

My name is Dr.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

Joanna Grossman, and I'm the equine program director for the Animal Welfare Institute.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

We are grateful to Speaker Menon, Councilmember Marte, Chair Schulman, and the committee for calling this hearing on Intro 943, Ramach's Law.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

AWI, one of the nation's oldest animal protection groups, heads up the Homeless Horses Coalition, which is a network of over 500 equine rescues and sanctuaries.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

We fully support this legislation to face out horse-drawn carriages in the city.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

This reform is long overdue, and we trust that the council will do right by ending these unnecessary rides.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

The question is not whether horses can pull these carriages, but whether the circumstances pose too many risks.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

And the answer unequivocally is yes.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

Horse-drawn carriages do not need to continue in such a densely populated setting with conditions that run counter to equine welfare, not to mention countless factors that can cause these horses to spook and bolt.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

Ramach's death is an unimaginable tragedy that no family should have to face.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

It should weigh heavily on all of us as we consider how to prevent more accidents.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

I don't think there was a dry eye in the room hearing what that family has endured.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

As the Central Park Conservancy put it, this is the tragedy we feared when we first called for horse carriages to be banned from Central Park due to the risks they pose.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

In June, immediately after a 16-year-old horse named Denise collapsed and died, struggling to breathe in front of onlookers, Philadelphia became the latest city to prohibit horse-drawn carriages.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

New York must be a leader in this space before the next.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

inevitable accident occurs.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

There have been far too many troubling incidents in recent years.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

Continuing the status quo is not tenable for the sake of New Yorkers, visitors to the city, and the horses themselves.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

The risks and problems are well understood.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

The exhaust, pollution, noise, lights, traffic, congestion, construction, asphalt, temperature extremes,

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

Long hours, lack of access to pastures and turnout.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

These are just some of the welfare concerns that exist and the list could easily go on.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

How many times do we have to see a horse collapse or spook before taking action?

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

Hopefully no longer.

Member of the Public - Joanna Grossman

Thank you.

Lynn C. Schulman

Thank you very much.

Lynn C. Schulman

Who's next?