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Eva Yusef-Salaam (equine-assisted psychotherapist) testifies supporting ban

New York City Council · Jul 15, 2026 · starts 7:07:39 · 2 min 48 sec

Eva Yusef-Salaam, an equine-assisted psychotherapist with 40 years of experience, testifies about horses' sensory adaptations for detecting danger, and that Manhattan's constant bombardment creates inherent safety risks no training can eliminate.

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

Eva Yusef-Salaam.

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

Yes, I got it.

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

Thank you very much for this hearing.

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

I'm speaking in support of 0943.

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

I am a New Yorker, born and raised in Brooklyn, currently in District 2.

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

I've been a trauma therapist for 40 years.

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

Twenty of those years, I have been an equine-assisted psychotherapist, meaning that I incorporate horses in psychotherapy with clients.

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

Primarily, that work has been with combat veterans.

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

In this work, I have seen firsthand how horses depend on their senses and their ability to flee perceived danger to stay safe and regulated.

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

We work with a herd of horses at liberty, meaning no halters, no lead lines, no harnesses, or any other means of control or domination.

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

And in all these years, we have had no injuries to people, no injuries to horses, none.

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

Horses survive by using their senses to detect danger.

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

Their nearly 360-degree vision, highly sensitive hearing, and acute sense of smell are adaptations that allow them to identify potential threats and to react quickly.

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

In Manhattan, those same senses are constantly bombarded by sirens, jackhammers, buses,

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

Motorcycles, dense crowds, exhaust fumes, flashing lights, and nonstop unpredictable movement.

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

A horse pulling a carriage cannot move freely away from what it perceives as a threat.

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

This conflict between instinct and environment creates an inherent safety risk that no amount of training can eliminate.

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

It's a public safety concern, and protecting the public is one of the City Council's core responsibilities.

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

Horse-drawn carriages belonged to a different era of New York City's history.

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

Today, we know far more about equine behavior, welfare, and public safety than we did a century ago.

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

We cannot train away millions of years of evolution, and we should not ask horses to ignore instincts that have kept their species alive.

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

The question before the city council is not whether some horses can be trained to tolerate parts of this work or whether better regulations can reduce the risk to horses and citizens.

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

The question is whether New York City is an appropriate place to ask horses to do work their biology is not built to withstand, while also putting pedestrians, drivers, cyclists, joggers, and the horses at risk.

Member of the Public - Eva Yusef-Salaam

Thank you so much.

Lynn C. Schulman

Thank you so much.

Lynn C. Schulman

Next, state your name and then give testimony.

Lynn C. Schulman

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