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Public Testimony

Deborah Thomas (animal advocate) testifies supporting ban

New York City Council · Jul 15, 2026 · starts 7:04:30 · 3 min 9 sec

Deborah Thomas, a 20-year animal advocate, testifies that 19th century carriages don't belong in 21st century traffic, that no amount of hitching posts or training will stop spooking, and that it's cruel to force horses to work in extreme weather.

Member of the Public - Deborah Thomas

Thomas speaking in support of Intro 943.

Member of the Public - Deborah Thomas

I am one of the many animal-loving, humane New York City animal advocates who've been fighting for a carriage horse ban in this city for the past 20 years

Member of the Public - Deborah Thomas

because I feel that having 19th century horse-drawn carriages in 21st century New York City traffic is both inhumane to the horses and very dangerous to all of us.

Member of the Public - Deborah Thomas

Sadly, both were shown to be true when the horse Denise ate a poisonous plant and died in Central Park,

Member of the Public - Deborah Thomas

and 18-year-old tourist Romesh Mahajan was killed, and my heart and prayers go out to his family.

Member of the Public - Deborah Thomas

As stated earlier, New York City and Central Park have become busier and noisier in the 21st century.

Member of the Public - Deborah Thomas

Although horse carriages in the city were once a quaint and enjoyable tradition, present-day activities and sounds going on in New York City

Member of the Public - Deborah Thomas

can easily spook a horse and cause them to bolt and run at the drop of a hat, making it extremely dangerous and irresponsible to continue this industry any longer.

Member of the Public - Deborah Thomas

No amount of hitching posts in the park or carriage horse driver training sessions will ever stop this from happening.

Member of the Public - Deborah Thomas

I also feel that it's downright cruel to force an animal to pull a heavy carriage in the extreme heat and humidity or in the cold snow and ice that they're often expected to.

Member of the Public - Deborah Thomas

to work in, and it's questionable as to whether they're given sufficient water in the summer or blankets and shelter from the cold in the winter while they're pulling these carriages.

Member of the Public - Deborah Thomas

Therefore, for the sake of the horses and human beings alike, I respectfully urge the City Council to vote for and pass Intro 943, Romanche's Law, as soon as possible.

Member of the Public - Deborah Thomas

I also want to thank Speaker Menon and Chair Schulman for calling this hearing and all the members who have voted for it, as well as thank you for putting language in the bill

Member of the Public - Deborah Thomas

to help the carriage drivers transition to new jobs.

Member of the Public - Deborah Thomas

Thank you.

Lynn C. Schulman

Thank you.

Lynn C. Schulman

Thank you.

Lynn C. Schulman

Thank you all.

Lynn C. Schulman

So now we're going to call a new panel.

Lynn C. Schulman

Thank you very much, and thank you for waiting.

Lynn C. Schulman

Maddie Johnson, Eve Usadi, I'm pronouncing it wrong, I'm sure.

Lynn C. Schulman

Patrick Norton.

Lynn C. Schulman

Christina Tabaka, something like that, Tabakin, Caroline Zonis, and Regina Clark.

Lynn C. Schulman

Okay, so just state your name for the record and then you can testify.

Lynn C. Schulman

Who's going first?

Lynn C. Schulman

Go ahead.

Council Staff

Wait, we have to put the button on.

Council Staff

Eva, okay, go ahead.