Gennaro presses administration for enforcement data supporting ban

In terms of...

In terms of what the health department and the mountain unit that's out there,

what are the levels of tickets and violations for

safety and also and I also will note that

You know, after, you know, incidents have happened, I noticed that there have not been, I don't think there have been violations issued to drivers, meaning that

the people, that would be you, who are in charge of this kind of thing, thought that it was explainable or something.

And so I'm trying to find out how you come here today to support the elimination of the industry just because the mayor thinks so.

But what I'm looking for here are actual facts because you are the oversight thing and it was nothing in your testimony that said, I'm sure that if you had actual

data, facts, violations, episodes, or whatever, you would have made mention of them in your testimony.

You did not.

Can you explain that?

Thank you for the question, Councilmember.

I think I would like to take a step back in a sense and answer the question.

No, I want you to answer the question.

Well, I would like to recognize that I think this issue around horse-drawn carriages in Central Park has been an ongoing discourse for many administrations now.

It doesn't matter whether it's a discourse.

We're based, like we're doing things based on facts.

Thank you.

And if you had information that supports the elimination of the industry, you would have put it in your statement.

You did not.

The bell rang.

I yield.

I think...

No, no, no, no.

I would like to...

No, I am...

I get to ask the questions.

I, you know, close with a statement.

You don't get to say anything now.

Thank you, Council Member Roll.

I intend to comment that...

I didn't ask for comments.

I asked for facts.

To echo my colleague's testimony that the administration supports a winding down this industry.

We recognize...

That's your full statement.

That's all you have is that the mayor wants it.

I like to operate based on fact and what you guys have done to enforce and recommendations that you might have made to make it safe.

I didn't hear any of that in the testimony, and there's no dancing that's going to get you out of that.

I think we have done significant efforts in the city over the many years to try to improve regulations around this industry, whether that is limitations around where these carriages can operate, how many carriages can operate.

How many horses are licensed?

We have all engaged in robust efforts to try and bring additional actionable summonses.

We have worked with industry across multiple administrations to try and address what's happening.

The reality is that it's not working.

Madam Chair, he's not being responsive, and he's just, you know, he's just.

I'm not looking for a word salad here.

I'm looking for answers which I didn't get.

Council member, your time is up.

And you answered the question, yes?

Yes, Chair, thank you.

Okay, thank you.

Councilman, I'm sorry, Speakerman and...