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Public Testimony

Kathy Nizzari (Lights Out Coalition) testifies supporting ban

New York City Council · Jul 15, 2026 · starts 7:17:18 · 2 min 47 sec

Kathy Nizzari of Lights Out Coalition testifies supporting the ban, compares industry displacement to her own family's taxi medallion loss, notes the MTA is hiring with strong wages, and urges passage without delay.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

Afternoon, I'm Kathy Nazari of Lights Out Coalition.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

Thank you for allowing me to testify in support of Intro 943, Roe-Munch's Law.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

These are the only horse-drawn carriages not obsolete in NYC and are still forced to work in conditions unsuited to their welfare.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

Reports of collapses, injuries, illegal working conditions, and deaths on city streets continue.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

For years, advocates warned it would take a human death before this business finally ended.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

Tragically, that prediction came true when a promising young man named Romesh Mahajan lost his life.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

his life.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

My heart goes out to him and his family.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

They should never have endured such a devastating loss or been forced to become advocates for change.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

Change is a reality of life.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

How many of us have had to find new employment at some point?

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

When rideshare services transformed the taxi industry, my own father's immigrant family's medallion lost its value.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

There was no bailout.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

They adapted.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

Histories filled with occupations that disappeared and workforce transitions are increasingly common.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

If we cannot manage this one, how will we respond when more than half a million local jobs predicted are lost to AI?

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

We cannot justify continuing a dangerous, outdated industry simply because people don't like change.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

The carriage drivers have something many displaced workers never had, union representation and a pathway to retraining and new jobs.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

Their union is well positioned to help them and should.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

The MTA, also with TWU, is actively hiring with strong wages and benefits.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

Romant's death must not become another tragedy that is acknowledged and forgotten.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

The fundamental right to life must always take precedence over commercial interests.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

Business must never come at the cost of living beings.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

I respectfully urge the Council to pass Intro 943.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

without delay and get these poor horses off the streets now.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

And if I may, Chair Shulman, I wanted to respond to a question that came up earlier.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

Someone asked about NYPD hiring horse caregivers or caretakers.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

And according to NYC.gov, the NYPD frequently hires dedicated civilian staff to care for their horses.

Member of the Public - Kathy Nizzari

They work directly in the department stables and are responsible for feeding, grooming, cleaning stalls, and assisting the units veterinarians.

Lynn C. Schulman

Thank you very much.

Lynn C. Schulman

All right, next.