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Marty Irby (champion equestrian) testifies supporting ban

New York City Council · Jul 15, 2026 · starts 6:17:27 · 2 min 10 sec

Marty Irby, an eight-time world champion equestrian, testifies about horses' flight instincts, notes the military no longer uses horses, and asks why a major city should use them for entertainment.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

Yes, thank you very much.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

Good afternoon, Chair and members of the Council.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

My name is Marty Irby.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

I'm an eight-time world champion equestrian, a lifelong horseman, and past president of two different equine breed registries.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

An advocate who has spent many years working to protect American equines through state and federal policy.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

I've devoted much of my life to this work and ask that you help us see the end of horse-drawn carriages in New York.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

Horses are prey animals.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

They are flight animals.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

Biology and biomechanics are often overlooked on this issue.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

When they become frightened, they don't stop and reason through danger.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

They run.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

That instinct has allowed horses and other equines to survive for tens of thousands of years.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

Their natural instincts cannot be trained away.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

It can only be managed.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

Yet every day these horses are expected to navigate one of the busiest, loudest, most unpredictable

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

urban environments in the world, surrounded by taxis, buses, construction, emergency sirens, crowds, bicycles, and constant traffic.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

Even the calmest horse can be startled by something beyond anyone's control.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

And when that happens, the consequences can be devastating for the horse, the driver, the passengers, and the public.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

This isn't about questioning the dedication of carriage drivers.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

Many care deeply for their horses.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

We've heard that and we've seen that.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

This is about recognizing that New York City has changed and both our dedication and understanding of animal welfare during this modern day era is quite different than it was several hundred years ago.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

Many other major cities have eliminated the use of horse-drawn carriages and replaced them with more modern transportation and entertainment like electric carriages.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

Humans have forced those that were born to run free across open fields to spend their lives standing in traffic.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

That is not progress.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

It is a compromise that we no longer have to make.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

Freedom applies to more than just humans.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

We all owe a debt of gratitude to the horses, and they should be respected because America was built on their backs.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

I just want to add the picture of President Washington up there today and his horse.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

We don't utilize horses in our military, and we don't utilize them in war today.

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

Why should we use them in a major city in this country?

Member of the Public - Marty Irby

Thank you.

Lynn C. Schulman

Thank you so much.

Lynn C. Schulman

Councilmember Hanif has a question for the panel.