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Nora Marino (attorney) testifies remotely supporting ban

New York City Council · Jul 15, 2026 · starts 8:34:00 · 2 min 51 sec

Nora Marino, an attorney specializing in animal rights litigation, testifies remotely that the carriage industry is entertainment not transportation, that no industry has received government coddling like this bill offers, and that most bolting incidents occur with the driver present.

Lynn C. Schulman

You may begin.

Lynn C. Schulman

Nora Marino?

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

Yes, hi, couldn't unmute myself.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

Hi, thank you for staying so late.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

My name is Nora Marino, I'm an attorney.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

I've done a lot of animal rights litigation over the years.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

And I have two not-for-profit organizations for animals as well.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

One of them, the Legal Action Network for Animals and the Animal Pools Exposure Fund.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

I don't want to repeat what's been going on here today.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

There's been a lot of great testimony in support of the bill, which I am in support of.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

I just want to mention a couple of things really quickly.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

First of all, some people have referred to the horse-drawn carriage industry as a transportation industry.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

It's not transportation.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

It's entertainment.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

People don't take horse-drawn carriages to get to work.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

They don't take horse-drawn carriages to meet their friend or go to dinner or go to an appointment or go to a job interview.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

People take horse-drawn carriages for one reason and one reason only, and it's entertainment.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

It is not transportation.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

So that needs to be clear.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

Also, no industry has ever received this government hand-holding or coddling that this bill is offering the members of the horse-drawn carriage industry who will be seeking other employment.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

Many industries fall by the wayside over the year.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

over the years.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

I mean, think about typewriter repairmen or print news or, I mean, the yellow taxi industry.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

I mean, so many industries become obsolete due to progress.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

This is an industry that actually has the government willing to lend them a hand.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

I mean, that's extraordinary and very unheard of if you think of the grand scheme of things.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

I also just want to mention that the horse is bolting, which has been talked about a lot today, so I don't want to get too involved in that.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

But most of the incidents where a horse has bolted has occurred with the driver in the carriage.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

With Ramage, it happened to have occurred when the driver was not in the carriage.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

But I think almost every other bolting incident that I can think of was with the driver in the carriage.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

The driver could not control this.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

Time expired.

Lynn C. Schulman

You have to summarize.

Lynn C. Schulman

Everybody has two minutes.

Lynn C. Schulman

We have a lot of people that are waiting to testify.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

Anyway, so I'm just saying that in or out of the carriage, post or no post, the bolting is a risk to the citizens of the city, the visitors to the park, and the horse's safety.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

And I'm not going to get into the cruelty to the animals because, number one, I don't have time, but number two, you've heard.

Lynn C. Schulman

You can submit testimony online, full testimony online.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

I absolutely will.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

Thank you.

Member of the Public - Nora Marino

Please do that.

Lynn C. Schulman

Thank you.

Lynn C. Schulman

All right.

Lynn C. Schulman

Bye.

Lynn C. Schulman

Nina Marie Perino is next.