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Kim Holland explains CUNY study abroad directory and campus culture barriers

New York City Council · Sep 29, 2026 · starts 0:38:51 · 1 min 53 sec

Holland says CUNY created a consolidated study abroad directory to help students find programs available by e-permit. She says the directory is necessary but insufficient because students need a campus culture where they see peers studying abroad and feel they have the right to participate.

Rita C. Joseph

Thank you.

Rita C. Joseph

We have to find a way to keep the 80% hands up.

Member of the Public - Kim Holland

Chairperson, just to add something to this, I think there's a measure that we took probably about 12 years ago, which we previously had each college had its study abroad page.

Member of the Public - Kim Holland

And even though some campuses are very generous in opening their programs to students throughout CUNY, it wasn't effectively available because it required those students to hunt through all of those websites.

Member of the Public - Kim Holland

So we now do have a consolidated directory, which, among other things, allows students to focus on programs that are available by e-permit.

Member of the Public - Kim Holland

Now, I will say I was really proud of this step forward.

Member of the Public - Kim Holland

And now I realize how insufficient.

Member of the Public - Kim Holland

It's necessary, but it's not sufficient.

Member of the Public - Kim Holland

And here's why.

Member of the Public - Kim Holland

It goes to a mindset issue, which is the student level factor that is alongside culture at the campus.

Member of the Public - Kim Holland

Faculty can talk about it, but if students don't see their peers on their campus studying abroad, if you can't jumpstart that,

Member of the Public - Kim Holland

It's going to be extremely difficult, even if you have programs available through a different CUNY campus, even if you can pay CUNY tuition and get your CUNY financial aid, you're going to be effectively

Member of the Public - Kim Holland

pioneer in your space.

Member of the Public - Kim Holland

So students we do know are very much tied to the culture of their campuses and we do have some campuses where we need to do more to support just the beginnings of that culture and so that students understand themselves

Member of the Public - Kim Holland

as really having the right to participate in these experiences and that they they're equally relevant for them as well.