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Public Testimony

Francesco Ricobono (carriage owner) testifies opposing ban

New York City Council · Jul 15, 2026 · starts 6:29:09 · 4 min 59 sec

Francesco Ricobono, whose family has been in the industry since 1979, owns 13 horses and three carriages, testifies about spending $40,000/year per horse on care, offers condolences to the Mahajan family, and asks the council to oppose the ban and work together on reforms.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

Thank you.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

Okay, good afternoon, Chair, members of City Council.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

My name is Francesco Ricobono.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

has probably been a part of New York City's horse-drawn carriage industry since 1979.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

Today, I own three carriages.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

I care and own for 13 horses.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

And I also am one of the founders of 501c6, a nonprofit organization for the NYC Horse Carriage Alliance, which is devoted to enhancing safety and horse welfare.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

Okay, 47 years ago, my father came to America from Sicily with nothing but a dream.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

He found that dream in New York City's horse-drawn carriage industry.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

Growing up, I didn't watch my father work.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

I watched him dedicate his life to caring for his horses with love, patience, and pride.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

Those horses shaped my childhood and inspired my future.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

They are not equipment or machines.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

They are my family.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

Before I continue, I want to offer my heartfelt condolences to the family of Romance.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

His tragic passing was heartbreaking and the entire industry continues to mourn alongside his loved ones.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

Our thoughts and prayers remain with them.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

That tragedy has only strengthened our commitment to improving safety.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

We are actively working with the TWU, the NYC Horse Carriage Alliance, and members of the council to implement stronger driving training certification programs, enhanced horse welfare standards, and so on.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

Because protecting both people and horses has always been our highest priority.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

That is why I respectfully ask you to oppose Intro 0943.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

This bill does not solve a problem.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

It destroys an industry that has been a part of New York City's identity for 168 years.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

It threatens the futures of hardworking families, stable workers, various drivers, countless others whose livelihoods depend on this profession.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

It also jeopardizes the futures of the horses we have devoted our lives to caring for.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

I personally spend approximately $40,000 a year per horse because their health and well-being comes first.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

I am a newlywed father.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

I have two beautiful girls at home.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

The industry is how I support my family, just as it supported mine as a child.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

Like so many others, I have dedicated my life, my savings, and my future to this profession because I truly believe in this industry.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

And I'll just wrap up one more sentence.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

Changes are needed.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

Let's work together to make them.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

Please don't erase generations of honest, hardworking New Yorkers who have devoted their lives to the industry.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

Real progress comes from collaboration, compassion, and thoughtful solutions, not from dismantling.

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

An entire community.

Lynn C. Schulman

Thank you.

Lynn C. Schulman

No clapping in the chambers.

Lynn C. Schulman

Tommy Hughes?

Member of the Public - Francesco Ricobono

Not here.

Lynn C. Schulman

Oh, he's not here?

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

I guess I could speak for Tommy Hughes.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

I take his time.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

And so my name is Joseph Kernigliaro.

Lynn C. Schulman

Joseph?

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

Yeah, just find me there.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

I asked you before.

Lynn C. Schulman

Did you sign up?

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

You should have talked to me before you even come to bring a bill up because I am the original owner.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

My father was the owner of two stables.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

I'm surprised that you guys don't even consult us.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

I'm a lawyer.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

I'm a politician.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

I'm a radio announcer, TV announcer, a host, and you don't contact me, and you're just doing this today?

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

It's not about the horses.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

It's about the property.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

When I started this business 52 years ago, there was prostitute pimps and drugs on 38th Street.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

Jacob Javits did not even exist.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

They came afterwards.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

Now everybody is a slave over here.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

These people are working for the New York class.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

Steve Nislick, that's the people that they're working for.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

And you guys are part of the conspiracy if you allow this moron to take you for a ride.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

He's paying politicians.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

He's paying everybody else.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

Okay?

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

He is cited for violation of the election law, and therefore he should be reprimanded, not rewarded.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

That's what's going on right now.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

You guys are rewarding this guy.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

You're working for him.

Lynn C. Schulman

We have to maintain decorum, so lower your voice.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

You've got to understand that.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

You know, as a lawyer, as a politician,

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

I do like to speak.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

And you did not consult me at all.

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

Two, we have two stables, okay?

Member of the Public - Joseph Kernigliaro

And that's why I think, you know, wait a second.

Lynn C. Schulman

No.

Lynn C. Schulman

No.

Lynn C. Schulman

Because I asked you to maintain decorum and you wouldn't, so.

Lynn C. Schulman

That's fine.

Lynn C. Schulman

Who's Valone?

Lynn C. Schulman

Or is that you?

Lynn C. Schulman

Sorry, sir.

Council Staff

Guys, enough.

Council Staff

So go ahead.

Council Staff

Sir, go ahead.