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Joshua Sarsfield (carriage driver) testifies opposing ban

New York City Council · Jul 15, 2026 · starts 4:14:52 · 2 min 18 sec

Joshua Sarsfield, a carriage driver, testifies that animal rights advocates' goal is extinction of all domestic animals, criticizes billionaire backers of the ban, and argues horses love pulling and get the best life of any horse in America.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

I'm Joshua Sosville, horse carriage driver.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

If the public has been actively deceived, we as the industry involved and our legislators have a responsibility and a duty to expose that deception.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

We are here because NY Class are animal liberation extremists whose eventual goal is the extinction of not just all working but all domestic animals, period.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

Their movement defines captivity as abuse.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

So no change we make could ever be enough because domestic animals are an abomination to them.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

We are here because Steve Nislick is a billionaire.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

You might say, well, that proves his heart's true because what does he need the money for?

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

But billionaires don't care about money.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

If it was about needing money, they'd probably stop at $100 million and retire.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

You've got to have a certain personality to go all the way to the billion.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

How can you not get to $100 million and say, okay, now I can finally write that play I never had time for?

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

But they keep going because it's not about money.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

Because if you're a billionaire, dollars aren't money.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

Dollars are points.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

Points in a game.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

And a game is only enjoyable when you're on the field playing it, crushing your opponent.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

The problem is your opponent is us, and it's a game we never signed up for.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

And your winning point is our lives.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

Your winning point is our children.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

Nislik thinks he can control these people, but they'll come for his.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

Horse two, if not now, sooner or later, this generation or the next.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

The mounted unit, the park rangers, the service dogs, the bodega cats, they could be finding horses

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

that need their help, but they focus all their attention on the 68 best kept and most visible horses in the country because the visibility is the point.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

A symbolic victory in their long march toward extinction.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

These horses get the perfect ratio of exercise, rest, and human attention.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

They're getting the best life of any horse in America.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

Everybody loves doing what they're born for.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

Birds love flying.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

Horses love pulling.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

I love running my mouth.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

There was a dog escaped in the news.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

They found him herding sheep for three days.

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

Never seen a sheep in his life, all right?

Member of the Public - Joshua Sarsfield

You may see a poodle on a couch watching TV and a hunting dog covered in rain and dripping with mud and think you know which one's living the good life, but a poodle is a hunting dog, and I promise you the happy dog is the money one.

Lynn C. Schulman

Thank you very much.

Lynn C. Schulman

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