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Menin questions TWU on driver salary, benefits, and training

New York City Council · Jul 15, 2026 · starts 3:07:37 · 3 min 14 sec

Menin questions Chiarello on average driver salary ($65,000-$70,000), benefits (dental and optical only, no medical), and the union's position on testing after the fatal incident. She commits to sitting with workers on additional language.

Julie Menin

First of all, I really want to thank this panel.

Julie Menin

We hear the emotion and passion in your voice for this.

Julie Menin

John, a couple, thank you for being here.

Julie Menin

A couple questions for you.

Julie Menin

Could you, there's been some testimony today about salary.

Julie Menin

Could you sort of really clarify this?

Julie Menin

What is the average driver's salary?

Julie Menin

What are the benefits that are offered to the drivers as well?

Member of the Public - John Chiarello

So the average salary is anywhere from $65,000 to $70,000.

Member of the Public - John Chiarello

Now, as far as the benefits, understand there's an independent portion to this thing.

Member of the Public - John Chiarello

They're not civil servants, so we're not able to bargain.

Member of the Public - John Chiarello

We're actually bargaining with the city council.

Member of the Public - John Chiarello

That's what we're doing.

Member of the Public - John Chiarello

So they're an association under our...

Member of the Public - John Chiarello

Our charter.

Member of the Public - John Chiarello

And as far as benefits, we could offer them dental and eyeglass.

Member of the Public - John Chiarello

The major medical is a whole different issue.

Julie Menin

Is there a collective bargaining agreement that covers the city's horse carriage drivers currently?

Member of the Public - John Chiarello

None that I know of other than the charter that allows them into Central Park.

Julie Menin

Okay.

Julie Menin

And after the fatal incident, TWU issued a statement calling for an increase in carriage driver training and implementation of more rigorous testing of driver applicants.

Julie Menin

What is the union's position on the city's existing testing and oversight?

Member of the Public - John Chiarello

Well, testing and oversight is great, but we've also went above and beyond.

Member of the Public - John Chiarello

We have a whole safety department.

Member of the Public - John Chiarello

We've collaborated with our shop steward, Christine, in making sure that all the members who you've heard testimony from, and most of them are here today,

Member of the Public - John Chiarello

You know, this is their livelihood, and I don't think that they take it for granted.

Member of the Public - John Chiarello

And accidents do happen, as we always say, and I cry like everyone for the family, the Maharaj.

Member of the Public - John Chiarello

It's a horrible, horrible, horrible thing, and there's no question about it.

Julie Menin

You mentioned at the beginning about other modes of transportation, e-bikes, etc.

Julie Menin

I do want to say, and I want to respond to that, the council and pedicabs, which I know Council Member Brewer has also been very focused on.

Julie Menin

as well.

Julie Menin

Council is deeply committed to reforming the pedicab industry, dealing with the fact that so many operators are unlicensed or overcharging tourists.

Julie Menin

We're committed to focus on the e-bike legislation.

Julie Menin

We have a package of bills we're about to be introducing on that.

Julie Menin

So I do just want to clarify that because we are very focused on those modes of modality as well.

Julie Menin

And I just end by saying, and I've been saying this from the beginning,

Julie Menin

We are committed to ensuring your workers'livelihood.

Julie Menin

The council, when we understand that right now the language in the bill talks about worker training, we know that there needs to be additional language negotiated.

Julie Menin

And so we look forward to sitting with you and your members and doing just that.

Julie Menin

Thank you.

Lynn C. Schulman

Thank you.

Lynn C. Schulman

Thank you, Speaker Menon.

Lynn C. Schulman

Councilmember Gennaro?