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Nicole Grievey testifies opposing ban, cites real estate motivations

New York City Council · Jul 15, 2026 · starts 6:53:21 · 2 min 43 sec

Nicole Grievey, a NYC resident and former horse owner, testifies opposing the ban, arguing real estate interests are behind it, that equine experts have found horses well cared for, and that the industry gives unwanted horses a chance at life.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

I will state my name for the record.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

Are we good?

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

Hi, I'm Nicole Grievey.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

Like Groovy, but with E's instead of O's.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

I'm a New Yorker, I'm a horse lover, I'm a former horse owner, and I have watched the real estate interests try to kill the carriage industry for decades now.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

At first they were honest about the reason, they want the land that the stables are on for development.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

As that wasn't popular with average New Yorkers, they changed tactics, pouring a lot of money into pushing the idea that NYC carriage work is inhumane.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

It's not true.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

Equine experts who have inspected the horses and stables have said over and over that they are well cared for, protected by city regulations.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

Carriage work is not cruel, and it is a lifeline for Amish farm horses and ex-racetrack trotters.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

There are horses in those Westside stables now who might have spent their last hours in terror, bound for a slaughterhouse, if not for the carriage industry taking them.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

As someone who has rescued a horse myself when its stable in Queens abruptly closed, I know from experience how hard and how hard it is to get a horse.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

how expensive it is to provide a home for unwanted horses.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

The carriage industry gives these unwanted horses a chance to live a long life.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

This is the truth.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

On top of that, it offers union jobs, it's work for immigrants, and it is a beautiful and irreplaceable part of the park.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

If this were truly about noise and pollution and crowds and horses as prey animals who spook at everything,

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

if this were truly about that, the anti-carriage activists would also be protesting in front of the NYPD stables and bullying the mounted police, because those horses work much harder and in dirtier, much busier areas than the carriage horses do.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

But they don't.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

Because the truth is, both police horses and carriage horses can live and work and thrive in a city.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

But only the carriage horses stand between the real estate people making more money than they even need now anyway.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

But this bill was never about what's best for horses.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

It's about rich people taking something that isn't theirs.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

It's a message to the elite of the city they can take whatever they want, just spend enough money and spread enough propaganda.

Lynn C. Schulman

Can you please summarize?

Lynn C. Schulman

Thank you.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

My summary is that I'm asking you to pass Intro 937 instead.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

The real estate people have gotten a few decades now lying about the carriages.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

Please give the drivers a little time to show the truth of what they do before you take away their livelihoods and the lives of the horses they love and care for.

Member of the Public - Nicole Grievey

I thank you so much for your time.

Lynn C. Schulman

Thank you.

Lynn C. Schulman

Next person, just identify yourself and then...

Lynn C. Schulman

Give your testimony.