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Sherry Ramsey (NYC Bar Association) testifies remotely supporting ban

New York City Council · Jul 15, 2026 · starts 8:27:10 · 3 min 23 sec

Sherry Ramsey, co-chair of the NYC Bar Association Animal Cruelty Committee, testifies remotely about 20 years of urging a ban, citing a 2007 Comptroller audit finding inadequate protections, and arguing no legislation can make the city safe for horses.

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

Can you hear me?

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

Ah, good.

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

Thank you.

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

My name is Sherry Ramsey.

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

I'm co-chair of the New York City Bar Association Animal Cruelty Committee, and we're very happy to be here to speak on this topic and be in support of

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

intro number 0943 in relation to prohibiting the operation of horse-drawn cabs.

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

For approximately 20 years or more, the city bar has urged the council to enact legislation to not only ameliorate the extremely harsh conditions under which our city carriage horses work and live, but at the same time, the city bar has argued that

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

all of these legislations previously would not create a fully humane condition and that the ban of carriage horse rides was the only humane solution.

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

Despite broad...

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

Public vocal support for reforms, including the ASPCA and the Maine Society, no legislation can ameliorate some of the conditions which make the city a deadly and inappropriate

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

environment for horses or eliminate the threats to the public safety.

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

And as such, this has hurt the horses and served as a betrayal of the public interest.

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

As indicated by a landmark 2007 audit report by the New York City Comptroller, there's been no at all adequate protection provisions under the current laws that have turned out to be failures so far.

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

The administrative code, particularly the audit, found that horses were not provided enough drinking water, risk overheating on hot asphalt.

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

He also discovered that the horses lacked proper veterinary care and were forced to live in their own waste due to inadequate draining.

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

He also cited the New York City Department of Mental Health and Hygiene and the New York City Department of Consumer Affairs for their legal noncompliance.

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

Moreover, the presence of horses on the city's congested streets have always posed a danger to the public, as is evidenced by the numerous and unceasing instances of spooked horses bolting, putting both horses and people at risk.

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

In a report on the previous time expired, this bill.

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

We identified dozens of...

Council Staff

Just give a summary, because we have to move on.

Council Staff

We have a lot of...

Council Staff

Certainly.

Council Staff

Okay, thanks.

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

So there are lots of, although the agriculture and markets laws have prohibited things that should have been addressed through our laws, they haven't been.

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

And as a result, the horses get very little good.

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

Treatment and are not being turned out appropriately as is essential for horse care.

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

So in addition to addressing the problems, there are things that we think would be helpful in getting rid of the care of horses.

Council Staff

We need to wrap it up like a couple of sentences.

Council Staff

Just tell us where you're at and we have to move on.

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

So the ban would reduce the city's exposure.

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

They would protect

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

the public from risk, and it would also be the most meaningful thing we can do for the horses.

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

So we thank you so much, and in sum, we'd like to support the passage of 0943, which we believe is law.

Lynn C. Schulman

Okay, and I also want to encourage you, if you have longer testimony, to submit it at testimony.

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

I did, thank you.

Lynn C. Schulman

Oh, you did, great, because we want to see the whole thing, and we want to also thank the Bar Association for being helpful to us in this.

Member of the Public - Sherry Ramsey

Thank you.

Lynn C. Schulman

Thank you.

Lynn C. Schulman

All right.

Lynn C. Schulman

Next is Pauline Burns.